New pub opening - Hungry Horse in Stafford

proactive

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Banana protest signs? Are the Castlefields lot still moaning about that place?

No, it's for the proposed housing development. The bits they object to about the lack of open space provision and the extra cars on the existing roads infrastructure are fair enough though I reckon.
 

tek-monkey

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I dunno, I think Martin Drive was deliberately over-engineered because they knew this was coming. It can certainly cope with more traffic, although I'd expect them to double yellow the entire road to stop people parking along it. Are they not leaving any green space?
 
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tek-monkey

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Bah, just typed a big edit in and it said I'd run out of time! Anyway, can't see much difference in housing density to Castlefields itself according to the current 'plans' and some of the new homes will have great views of the golf course and castle.
 

monkey bidness

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Bah, just typed a big edit in and it said I'd run out of time! Anyway, can't see much difference in housing density to Castlefields itself according to the current 'plans' and some of the new homes will have great views of the golf course and castle.

Aren't the Golfists being moved to the other (Newport) side of the Castle?

Also, I seem to remember that a few years ago the arrivistes on the (then new) Castlefields estates had the cheek to complain about the lights on the Rugby Club training pitch. Never mind that Rugby had been taking place on there since before most of them were born, and the presence of the club guaranteed the continued existence of a the green spaces which surrounded their new homes.
 

monkey bidness

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No, nine holes are to become 18. The Clubhouse goes north though.

More kerching for His Lordship if i'm not much mistaken?

That second sentence threw me for a moment as I haven't come across the verb 'to kerch' before. Then the light dawned. You were using anomatopaiea! ( must google the spelling of that some time).
 

proactive

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Also, I seem to remember that a few years ago the arrivistes on the (then new) Castlefields estates had the cheek to complain about the lights on the Rugby Club training pitch. Never mind that Rugby had been taking place on there since before most of them were born, and the presence of the club guaranteed the continued existence of a the green spaces which surrounded their new homes.
A few did, yes. The majority did not.

A common mistake to make is thinking that the members of the Castlefields Residents Association, actually represent the views of the majority who live on the estate.
 

John Marwood

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A few did, yes. The majority did not.

A common mistake to make is thinking that the members of the Castlefields Residents Association, actually represent the views of the majority who live on the estate.

Echos of Parliament - Democracy in Action !

Shareholders Unite ( oxymoron? )
 

db

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A few did, yes. The majority did not.

A common mistake to make is thinking that the members of the Castlefields Residents Association, actually represent the views of the majority who live on the estate.

indeed.. when i lived on castlefields, we used to get leaflets through the door from the self-appointed CRA (sometimes in comic sans lol), and they always gave us a good chuckle..

in our usual apathetic way, we didn't get involved in the hungry horse consultation when the business proposal itself got put through the door (even though we were very much in favour), but as soon as a leaflet came through the door from the CRA suggesting everyone on castlefields should object to it we almost immediately got a text from a friend round the corner asking if we had had one, and the net result was we both went to the developer website and voted in favour in the strongest possible terms..

i personally can't wait for it - i've been to one in uttoxeter (or somewhere) and it was lovely.. obviously not michelin starred grub, but just pub food done very well, in a lovely environment..

I guess people objected to the houses being built on Castlefields and now those who live on Castlefields object to new developments. Something strange there.


i was going to post this exact same thing the other day.. those houses must only be about 20 years old, and i dare say people moaned when they were proposed.. people need houses to live in, and there is loads of land up there and, as tek has said, the beginnings of a perfectly suitable road infrastructure - so bring it on!
 

1JKz

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...anything stopping folk from having a pint and a bite to eat (on the proposed site) now?
 

tek-monkey

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It is pretty much 20 years exactly, my OH worked on the site doing catering for them. Not my OH then, but my OH now, if you see what I mean!

My old boss went through exactly the same thing, got a place on the edge of a development with great views. 10 years later they built on it, her response was "We bought the house and garden, not the fields around it". Otherwise Castlefields would never have been built, as it spoilt the view of others. Hell, nowhere would be built! As long as there is as much green space to houses as castlefields itself has there is no issue in my eyes, but looking at it they only have green land on the periphery of their estate really. I guess they sold it on the surrounding area, that wasn't theirs to sell.
 

My Name is URL

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A common mistake to make is thinking that the members of the Castlefields Residents Association, actually represent the views of the majority who live on the estate.

Another common mistake is assuming that the Castlefields Residents Association actually have any views (as a group). And no i'm not involved with them at all before anyone asks. As far as I have seen all they have done is make enquiries about the nature of the developments and then passed this info on to everyone suggesting they make their views (either way) known.

I do love the blinkered views on here though that assume anyone wanting to live in a nice sociable area and wanting a democratic influence on how the area they live develops is instantly a pub-hating, rugby club light hating idiot with a nice view that they don't want spoiling. Some of it actually comes across as jealously (whether it is or not, that's how it comes across) of people that live in concrete jungles in Stafford so they want everyone else to be the same. Some of the comments come across with a tinge of envy - yet lets not forget that those fields aren't just someone's view from their house but also walking routes, running routes, dog walking routes, places for the cubs and scouts to explore, places for wildlife lovers, heck even homes to lots of wildlife.

I live in Stafford, I want Stafford to be a nice sociable place to live.... does that mean I shouldn't give feedback on any future developments. Quite the opposite - I think it makes it my duty to do so and so should everyone else. I don't want to see unchecked development over any of Stafford's green spaces whether they are next to my house or a million miles away.
 

tek-monkey

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I do love the blinkered views on here though that assume anyone wanting to live in a nice sociable area and wanting a democratic influence on how the area they live develops is instantly a pub-hating, rugby club light hating idiot with a nice view that they don't want spoiling. Some of it actually comes across as jealously (whether it is or not, that's how it comes across) of people that live in concrete jungles in Stafford so they want everyone else to be the same.


Not at all, I just don't think people have a right to complain when land they don't own is developed. By all means I'd kick off if they developed in my garden, or a designated public area, but anything outside that is beyond my control. You buy your plot, any extra significance you place onto the area around it is your own issue. They've recently knocked a few buildings down near me, some rather nice looking ones, and some are now crappy flats. I didn't want this to happen, but I in no way tried to influence the decisions as it was none of my business really. I made a point of buying a house that had a decent sized garden, that way I know what I have and it can't be taken away.

People keep breeding, so we need more houses. The only ways to stop the insane house prices is to have enough houses for people to live in, or have less people. The further we sprawl into the countryside the less land there is for farming, so what do we do? Building near the shops/businesses makes sense as less travelling is involved, I hate cities but can see why population density should be concentrated around the facilities they need to reduce travelling.
 

My Name is URL

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Thats my point thought Tek - if someone decided to try and knock down the High House down in town and build a multi-storey car park on it, it doesn't affect me directly as I live nowhere near it but i'd damn sure complain about it. I hope i'm misinterpreting your comments, but do you not think it comes across a little lethargic or even selfish to say "i've got my plot of land so I don't care what happens to the rest of Stafford"....?

I agree with your comment "The only ways to stop the insane house prices is to have enough houses for people to live in, or have less people." and I know what my preference would be - a "one adult, one child" policy (essentially two kids per couple maximum) - christ I went a bit Shoes there for a minute :)
 

tek-monkey

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The high house is a listed building though, so is protected. If I thought a building of significance was going I'd be campaigning to keep it, but not a field just because of the view.

Agree on the kids policy, and certainly think if you applied that to benefits we'd see an improvement within a generation.
 

db

#chaplife
Thats my point thought Tek - if someone decided to try and knock down the High House down in town and build a multi-storey car park on it, it doesn't affect me directly as I live nowhere near it but i'd damn sure complain about it. I hope i'm misinterpreting your comments, but do you not think it comes across a little lethargic or even selfish to say "i've got my plot of land so I don't care what happens to the rest of Stafford"....?


i don't think tek meant that - he was just saying that even if one buys a house with a view, there is no legal entitlement to that view/one shouldn't expect that view to last forever.. you have bought your house/plot of land, but you have to assume that the population will continue to grow, houses will need to be built, and (unless it is protected land) they will be built on your nice view at some point..

as you know, i lived on castlefields until recently, and i was all for all the development.. the more developed stafford is, the better, imo!

all new developments have very strict controls over what percentage of the final build has to be parks/greenland, and it's surprisingly high.. take a stroll round the new redrow houses near doxey, or the bovis st. george's ones - the parks are massive! they've got bike tracks, park benches, and all sorts.. very nice indeed, and definitely not concrete jungles :)
 

1JKz

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I think My Name is URL had to make a point big enough for his view to be understood (heck i have to do that myself for peoples ears to prick-up!) so he's every right to get his point across using such methods, valid point i'd say.

Like i've said before (some thread some other place), i think we can cull the majority of 'development', just have a quick scoot around Wolverhampton town centre and it's housing estates, this'll be Stafford within 50 years people!

P.s. I'm glad Franklin Delano Roosevelt hasn't spotted this thread yet, or you're all in for it!
 

Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt

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I think My Name is URL had to make a point big enough for his view to be understood (heck i have to do that myself for peoples ears to prick-up!) so he's every right to get his point across using such methods, valid point i'd say.

Like i've said before (some thread some other place), i think we can cull the majority of 'development', just have a quick scoot around Wolverhampton town centre and it's housing estates, this'll be Stafford within 50 years people!

P.s. I'm glad Franklin Delano Roosevelt hasn't spotted this thread yet, or you're all in for it!

Spotted long ago - just didn't really think I had anything to add that hasn't already been covered
 
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