Withnail
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Sounds like you have a problem with your waterworks there chap.
I hear Polish plumbers are very good -
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Sounds like you have a problem with your waterworks there chap.
I hear Polish plumbers are very good -
We are not about to be swamped by migrants we have already been swamped!
At the moment we don't see much of it in Stafford but just take a trip down the M6 to Birmingham and you will see that the ethnic make up of the city has already changed out of all recognition.
Now that might not bother you or you may even see it as a good thing (how I really don't know but you might) but the fact of the matter is that certain areas of the country have already been swamped!
At the moment we don't see much of it in Stafford but just take a trip down the M6 to Birmingham and you will see that the ethnic make up of the city has already changed out of all recognition.
Now that might not bother you or you may even see it as a good thing (how I really don't know but you might) but the fact of the matter is that certain areas of the country have already been swamped!
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
Since when and in what way?
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
Is that because of immigration though or simply because the original immigrant population has increased through breeding over time. Remember that only the original generation born overseas can be classed as immigrants as anyone born over here is British/English.
John Marwood
I ♥ cryptic crosswords
If I remember rightly ( it was referenced somewhere in the PCC debate ) Staffordshire is 97% white
Although I am not even sure I am allowed to say white anymore
But it beats saying a lot of people are from the Caucasus which they are not as they are from Ipstones and Yoxall
But of course we do not live our lives along local authority boundaries , they are just a convenuent way to measure things.
Birmingham has I believe, a majority ethnic population , but then ethnic probably doesn't apply to Saxons, Celts, Romans, Normans and Fruitloops.
Anyway, the point I was going to make is I think I must have Achromatopsia as I only see good people, indifferent people and politicians....and not much else
Although I am not even sure I am allowed to say white anymore
But it beats saying a lot of people are from the Caucasus which they are not as they are from Ipstones and Yoxall
But of course we do not live our lives along local authority boundaries , they are just a convenuent way to measure things.
Birmingham has I believe, a majority ethnic population , but then ethnic probably doesn't apply to Saxons, Celts, Romans, Normans and Fruitloops.
Anyway, the point I was going to make is I think I must have Achromatopsia as I only see good people, indifferent people and politicians....and not much else
db
#chaplife
indeed..
hetty, you say:
so, by your own admission, you are judging the level of immigration by "take a trip...to Birmingham and you will see".. i'm pretty sure making a judgement of a person/people/population based on their appearance alone is as close to the dictionary definition of racism as you can get without actually being jeremy clarkson..
as proactive says, all of these "immigrants" that you are seeing are almost certainly british.. so you don't mean "we are swamped by migrants", you mean "we are swamped by brown people" - you can try and justify the former with faux concerns about jobs/the economy/whatever UKIP have latched onto atm, but good luck trying to justify the latter..
The media and the establishment parties for some reason don't want to discuss policy with UKIP so they use insults and smears instead.
They try and class UKIP with the BNP but there is significant differences to their immigration policies. Whereas the BNP believes in a policy based on race, UKIP's is based on numbers that this country can cope with, and quality control of those who want to come to this country.
Indeed the existing immigration policy can be described as discriminatory as non EU people are pretty much excluded to enter the UK legally. We need an immigration policy that treats all people fairly and matches the needs of this country to those who come to settle here.
They try and class UKIP with the BNP but there is significant differences to their immigration policies. Whereas the BNP believes in a policy based on race, UKIP's is based on numbers that this country can cope with, and quality control of those who want to come to this country.
Indeed the existing immigration policy can be described as discriminatory as non EU people are pretty much excluded to enter the UK legally. We need an immigration policy that treats all people fairly and matches the needs of this country to those who come to settle here.
db
#chaplife
John Marwood
I ♥ cryptic crosswords
Withnail
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http://www.ukip-ynl.org/ukip-manifesto-2014.pdf
1. Local referendums
It's time to bring power back to the people. So major decisions should be
subject to binding local referendums if the people demand it.On the petition
of 5% of the population within 3 months, major planning and service provision
decisions should be put to a local vote.
So a UK wide referendum costs £75m.
Any idea how much a 'Local referendum' might cost? Every time 5% of the people demand one?
1. Local referendums
It's time to bring power back to the people. So major decisions should be
subject to binding local referendums if the people demand it.On the petition
of 5% of the population within 3 months, major planning and service provision
decisions should be put to a local vote.
So a UK wide referendum costs £75m.
Any idea how much a 'Local referendum' might cost? Every time 5% of the people demand one?
John Marwood
I ♥ cryptic crosswords
Six old pence
At least
At least
It is far too easy to cry 'racist' and stick your head in the sand and ignore that there is a real problem in this country which is too many people too few jobs and letting more and more people into this country is not helping and I don't care what colour they are!
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
I can't be the only person that has misread this headline....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27361601
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27361601
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
Noah
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The figures on immigration seem to indicate that about 64% of immigrants come from outside the EU. As for a drain on the economy, immigrants from the European Economic Area (EEA - the EU plus Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein) made a particularly positive contribution in the decade up to 2011 contributing 34% more in taxes than they received in benefits and services. The story is slightly different for immigrants who came to the UK from outside the EEA in that period. They also put more into the public purse than they took out, but by a smaller margin of 2%. Between 1995-2011, on average each EEA immigrant put about £6,000 more into the public purse than they took out. Non-EEA immigrants each took out about £21,000 more than they put in during that period.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25880373
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffee...-but-non-eu-migration-is-the-greater-problem/
Germany, France, Italy, Spain & Sweden have bigger immigration problems than Britain, all want to reduce migration within the EU and reduce immigration from outside the EU, we could achieve far more working with them than forever wingeing about them. Leaving the EU, how about 1.3million plus UK citizens living & working in Europe who would no longer have the right to do so, most of them would pesumably have to return & go on benefit.
Don't believe all the garbage that originates with the Whitehall mandarins who would lose status & influence if we became more fully integrated in Europe. Don't believe their cronies in Fleet Street. Think how much the English regions would benefit if London lost influence, policies that reflected the need in each region would improve things no end and there would be significant increases in EU support & benefits if they came direct to regions.
Whilst you make some valid points there needs to be stricter border controls to stem the rise in the increase of the UK's population.
We can build as many houses, schools, roads etc as we like but if we don't choke off the demand it will never be enough, indeed increasing economic activity building more houses will attract more workers from moribund EU countries.
We can build as many houses, schools, roads etc as we like but if we don't choke off the demand it will never be enough, indeed increasing economic activity building more houses will attract more workers from moribund EU countries.
John Marwood
I ♥ cryptic crosswords
But immigrants contribute more to the economy than those born here
Therefore more immigration equals more tax revenue which pays for the NHS etc etc
(Source ONS)
The UK population grew by 3.7 million between 2001 and 2011 (whether that included the estimated 350,000 who weren't counted in at regional airports, I'm not sure). Whilst part of that increase was due to people living longer, the majority of that rise was due to immigration and a higher birth rate attributed to a concentration of women coming into the country aged between 20 and 40.
What is telling is the increase in net immigration. A good guide can be found here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...c-how-UK-migration-has-changed-1964-2011.html
Up to 1994 the difference between the people leaving this country and those coming was pretty neutral and then net immigration started on an upwards curve and by the mid to late 00's it was running above or around 200,000 extra a year. There was a slight dip due to the recession but the return to growth has seen net immigration pick up again.
Now in that time, where were the extra houses, schools, roads, airport capacity etc. built? Successive governments have failed to provide the infrastructure required to cope with the mass immigration we have seen and are still seeing, and this has seen rents and house prices rise sharply and public services put under severe strain.
What is telling is the increase in net immigration. A good guide can be found here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...c-how-UK-migration-has-changed-1964-2011.html
Up to 1994 the difference between the people leaving this country and those coming was pretty neutral and then net immigration started on an upwards curve and by the mid to late 00's it was running above or around 200,000 extra a year. There was a slight dip due to the recession but the return to growth has seen net immigration pick up again.
Now in that time, where were the extra houses, schools, roads, airport capacity etc. built? Successive governments have failed to provide the infrastructure required to cope with the mass immigration we have seen and are still seeing, and this has seen rents and house prices rise sharply and public services put under severe strain.