Leave or Remain?

1JKz

1JKz

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Poll stands at 13-2 now.

Seems those who are a little thick and not wanting to do much about their thickness are voting Out and those that feel thick and trying to do something about it are going with their gut and voting Remain, those who consider themselves more educated (about these sorts of things) are more likely to vote Remain.
That fair to say?

How very presumptuous of me.
 
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andy w

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1JKz said:
Poll stands at 13-2 now.

Seems those who are a little thick and not wanting to do much about their thickness are voting Out and those that feel thick and trying to do something about it are going with their gut and voting Remain, those who consider themselves more educated (about these sorts of things) are more likely to vote Remain.
That fair to say?

How very presumptuous of me.
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Or condescending
Seems like the 'thick' that you insult might win the day
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...oris-johnson-nigel-farage-david-a7075131.html
 
Carole

Carole

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1JKz said:
Seems those who are a little thick and not wanting to do much about their thickness are voting Out and those that feel thick and trying to do something about it are going with their gut and voting Remain, those who consider themselves more educated (about these sorts of things) are more likely to vote Remain.
That fair to say
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No, not fair to say at all.

I was at a lunch last Sunday with a group that included people that owned their own company (directors), a lawyer, two housewives, a retired ex company owner. An engineer, an optician that owns her own business.
Most of the group are intelligent and well educated (I don't include myself in that group by the way).

We all meet often socially but don't talk politics. .

However, due to the relaxing nature of alcohol we started to discuss current issues.

A good 50% of those present were for exiting the EU
So @1JKz
you can't say that people are thick for having a different opinion to you.

Some very clever people are voting out and some very clever people are voting stay.
 
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Floss

Floss

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1JKz said:
Poll stands at 13-2 now.

Seems those who are a little thick and not wanting to do much about their thickness are voting Out and those that feel thick and trying to do something about it are going with their gut and voting Remain, those who consider themselves more educated (about these sorts of things) are more likely to vote Remain.
That fair to say?

How very presumptuous of me.
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Or maybe people are just using their vote how they wish to, which is their right and no one else's dam business what they choose to do.
 
Malcolm

Malcolm

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1JKz said:
Poll stands at 13-2 now.

Seems those who are a little thick and not wanting to do much about their thickness are voting Out and those that feel thick and trying to do something about it are going with their gut and voting Remain, those who consider themselves more educated (about these sorts of things) are more likely to vote Remain.
That fair to say?
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No, that's not fair to say.
 
Withnail

Withnail

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TBF to @1JKz i think he was being deliberately provocative to elicit a response - TBequallyF it was reasonably successful.

The polls have moved quite considerably, will have a check on the odds once i've 'caught up'.
 
Withnail

Withnail

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Withnail said:
Odds as of 01/06/16 - Paddy Power

In 2/7 Out 11/4

% of vote to Remain

45%-50% - 3/1
50%-55% - 7/4
55%-60% - 15/8

Turnout

Under 63.5%/ Over 63.5%

5/6 for both
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As of 11/06/16

In 4/11 Out 9/4

% of vote to Remain

45%-50% - 21/10
50%-55% - 7/4
55%-60% - 7/4

Turnout

Under/Over 63.5%

5/6 for both
 
The Hawk

The Hawk

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There are so many reasons to vote out, David Cameron wanting us to remain being one of them.

However, after much deliberation, European legilslation / directives on:
  • climate / the environment;
  • employment protection; and
  • human rights
wins it for me, and so I will vote remain.

The bureaucracy. the lack of democracy and the fact that countries can effectively protect certain inefficient practices to the detriment of others (see http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ats-left-a-bitter-taste-at-Tate-and-Lyle.html as an example) needs to change, but we must try to amend the EU from within.
 
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andy w

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The Hawk said:
There are so many reasons to vote out, David Cameron wanting us to remain being one of them.

However, after much deliberation, European legilslation / directives on:
  • climate / the environment;
  • employment protection; and
  • human rights
wins it for me, and so I will vote remain.

The bureaucracy. the lack of democracy and the fact that countries can effectively protect certain inefficient practices to the detriment of others (see http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ats-left-a-bitter-taste-at-Tate-and-Lyle.html as an example) needs to change, but we must try to amend the EU from within.
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I respect your decision Hawk, as it is a considered one, but what I would say is, good luck trying to amend the EU from within as we've been given that line from various politicians over at least the last 25 years and what have they achieved. The European Political Establishment, the Bankers an Technocrats are deeply embedded in the European Project and have too many vested interests for significant reform of the EU to take place.
 
The Hawk

The Hawk

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andy w said:
I respect your decision Hawk, as it is a considered one, but what I would say is, good luck trying to amend the EU from within as we've been given that line from various politicians over at least the last 25 years and what have they achieved. The European Political Establishment, the Bankers an Technocrats are deeply embedded in the European Project and have too many vested interests for significant reform of the EU to take place.
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If my decision was only based on EU bureaucracy, lack of democracy and inefficient trade practices, then, yes, I would be voting to come out. As I said what swung it, just, were those bullet points (climate / environment, employment protection and human rights).

At the end of the day neither IN or OUT is overwhelmingly the right decision and, in the long run, neither will probably make much difference.
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
It's mainly employment rights keeping me in. A simple statement from the leave lot promising to at least safeguard the rights we currently have could help swing me, but nobody is offering that. In fact there are many things the leave lot could promise to help sway the vote, but none are visible. Given the track record of our government I'd rather stick a wasps nest up my arse than trust them to act in my interests rather than their own.
 
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andy w

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citricsquid said:
The Sun are backing Leave. I should have put money on Leave.
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Maybe so. Over the last week Leave's odds have been shortening but only slowly. Even up to yesterday morning you could have got 2/1 but by this morning the best you can get is 11/8 with most firms heading for Even money
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics...referendum/referendum-on-eu-membership-result
The Remain campaign has been woeful. We have had Project Fear then Project Insult but where was Project Positive? If Remain don't start turning it around by the weekend then it will be too late.
Opinion polls have been wrong in the past but if Leave has around a 8% lead going into next week it should have enough support to ride out the effect of people having cold feet at the last minute.
 
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