Leave or Remain?

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
No need for a general election for four years. Unless the government's effective majority disappears with defections - unlikely, I suspect.

Macmillan - Home
Wilson - Callaghan
Thatcher - Major
Blair - Brown ....... none of those precipitated general elections directly.
 

The Hawk

Well-Known Forumite
Most of those calling for a general election seem to be overlooking the Fixed-term Parliament Act 2011.
 

John Marwood

I ♥ cryptic crosswords
Barely a twelvemonth after
The seven days war that put the world to sleep,
Late in the evening the strange horses came.
By then we had made our covenant with silence,
But in the first few days it was so still
We listened to our breathing and were afraid.
On the second day
The radios failed; we turned the knobs; no answer.
On the third day a warship passed us, heading north,
Dead bodies piled on the deck. On the sixth day
A plane plunged over us into the sea. Thereafter
Nothing. The radios dumb;
And still they stand in corners of our kitchens,
And stand, perhaps, turned on, in a million rooms
All over the world. But now if they should speak,
If on a sudden they should speak again,
If on the stroke of noon a voice should speak,
We would not listen, we would not let it bring
That old bad world that swallowed its children quick
At one great gulp. We would not have it again.
Sometimes we think of the nations lying asleep,
Curled blindly in impenetrable sorrow,
And then the thought confounds us with its strangeness.
The tractors lie about our fields; at evening
They look like dank sea-monsters couched and waiting.
We leave them where they are and let them rust:
'They'll molder away and be like other loam.'
We make our oxen drag our rusty plows,
Long laid aside. We have gone back
Far past our fathers' land.
And then, that evening
Late in the summer the strange horses came.
We heard a distant tapping on the road,
A deepening drumming; it stopped, went on again
And at the corner changed to hollow thunder.
We saw the heads
Like a wild wave charging and were afraid.
We had sold our horses in our fathers' time
To buy new tractors. Now they were strange to us
As fabulous steeds set on an ancient shield.
Or illustrations in a book of knights.
We did not dare go near them. Yet they waited,
Stubborn and shy, as if they had been sent
By an old command to find our whereabouts
And that long-lost archaic companionship.
In the first moment we had never a thought
That they were creatures to be owned and used.
Among them were some half a dozen colts
Dropped in some wilderness of the broken world,
Yet new as if they had come from their own Eden.
Since then they have pulled our plows and borne our loads
But that free servitude still can pierce our hearts.
Our life is changed; their coming our beginning.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Interesting times ahead. and no-one, and i mean no-one knows how the economy will actually fare, despite the negative squall coming our of the defeated remain camp!

What do the leave camp have to say about us losing 10% of the value of our currency against the dollar? So glad I went on holiday last month!
 

kyoto49

Well-Known Forumite
What do the leave camp have to say about us losing 10% of the value of our currency against the dollar? So glad I went on holiday last month!

It's temporary! We also had financial and currency crashes while in the EU, although remainers conveniently forget those!!!
 

Jonah

Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
The FTSE has dropped more since the Leave result than happened during the 2008 crash.

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tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
It's temporary! We also had financial and currency crashes while in the EU, although remainers conveniently forget those!!!

You seen the stock market today? The rest of the world is losing faith in us, it may be temporary but some of us have pensions that depend on these stocks. All the time we're in limbo is another dent in our retirements, I'm just hoping to god it doesn't affect interest rates til I can remortgage but TBH I'm not sure I can move fast enough on that now :(
 

citricsquid

Well-Known Forumite
You seen the stock market today? The rest of the world is losing faith in us, it may be temporary but some of us have pensions that depend on these stocks. All the time we're in limbo is another dent in our retirements

Time in the market and all that. You shouldn't worry too much about your long term investments in the short term, the market ebbs and flows, if we're down in the long term then it's worth some worry but a short term 20% haircut is nothing to be too worried about if it corrects itself. Worry if we're still down this much in a few months.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Time in the market and all that. You shouldn't worry too much about your long term investments in the short term, the market ebbs and flows, if we're down in the long term then it's worth some worry but a short term 20% haircut is nothing to be too worried about if it corrects itself. Worry if we're still down this much in a few months.

I worry because I can't see the long term gain that caused the short term loss.
 
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