General Election 2017

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kyoto49 said:
My gut feeling is that he's a lovely man with some very very thoughtful and caring policies but I'm not sure some of his ideas would stand the test of being government policy. Everything in this country is based on profit and money, so greedy capitalists will always vote for what is best for them to make money from. Corbyn's form of socialism seems rather idealistic, however much I'd love to see a return to a time when people cared about society in general even if it means a little less in their pockets, I just can;t see it happening :(
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If you believe then vote, if you don't vote because others don't believe then you prove them right. I can promise you that there will be a media shitstorm about Corbyn, he'll be vilified for even having a late credit card payment ion the 80s, but the more the media turn on him the more obvious it becomes that it is for their own interests. The media is about profit, the last thing they want is someone that prefers people. I think this is why I like Corbyn so much, everyon takes so much effort attacking him that they must be worried about something. If they weren't why bother, he'll just lose and resign?
 
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Cue said:
Oh boy, I can't wait for our constituency to yet again vote in favour of the party that will systematically dismantle the department behind the thing they complain doesn't get enough support - Stafford Hospital.
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All Conservative voters do is complain about the decisions made by those they voted in to government! Why is that?
 
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tek-monkey said:
If you believe then vote, if you don't vote because others don't believe then you prove them right. I can promise you that there will be a media shitstorm about Corbyn, he'll be vilified for even having a late credit card payment ion the 80s, but the more the media turn on him the more obvious it becomes that it is for their own interests. The media is about profit, the last thing they want is someone that prefers people. I think this is why I like Corbyn so much, everyon takes so much effort attacking him that they must be worried about something. If they weren't why bother, he'll just lose and resign?
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Twelve months ago I'd have agreed with you, and we'd be seeing his photo alongside quotes about the IRA, Hezbollah and Hamas ..... but he's so far behind in the polls without any great pressure from the MSM, I'm not sure they'll bother.
 
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tek-monkey said:
Which facts changed?
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Before the budget, it hadn't occurred to her she might be hamstrung by the last manifesto. Now the penny has dropped, she's realised she's going to have to write her own, especially as she now has to budget for Brexit (which wasn't seen as an issue when the last manifesto was put together).

I suppose the "fact" that changed was that she no longer had the full support of her backbenchers.
 
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Mikinton said:
Twelve months ago I'd have agreed with you, and we'd be seeing his photo alongside quotes about the IRA, Hezbollah and Hamas ..... but he's so far behind in the polls without any great pressure from the MSM, I'm not sure they'll bother.
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Polls show what the media portrays, and the media hate him. If you repeat something enough it sticks in the minds of the weak, murdoch pretty much controls our elections.

I'll still vote for him, they are the only non-tory possibility since the lib dems bent over and took it from the blues. Not voting or even cock drawing are not options this time, I have to vote against the Tories.
 
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Look, in all of this (and every general election really) we all would do well to remember that the only person we actually vote for is our local MP. It angers me to see LeFroy win because people are 'voting Tory' when he's a useless yes man who has done nothing for this town, while David Kidney lost his seat, despite being an excellent local representative, because people can't separate national hysteria from actual influence.

The only people voting for or against Corbyn are in Islington. The only people voting for or against May are in Maidenhead.

Please don't just vote down blind party lines. Take a look at what your local candidates stand for. Take a look at actual manifestos instead of press headlines. This is not a 'Brexit' general election. This is not a referendum. This is First Past The Post and it sucks but it's what we've got.
 
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ATJ said:
Look, in all of this (and every general election really) we all would do well to remember that the only person we actually vote for is our local MP. It angers me to see LeFroy win because people are 'voting Tory' when he's a useless yes man who has done nothing for this town, while David Kidney lost his seat, despite being an excellent local representative, because people can't separate national hysteria from actual influence.

The only people voting for or against Corbyn are in Islington. The only people voting for or against May are in Maidenhead.

Please don't just vote down blind party lines. Take a look at what your local candidates stand for. Take a look at actual manifestos instead of press headlines. This is not a 'Brexit' general election. This is not a referendum. This is First Past The Post and it sucks but it's what we've got.
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Any idea if Labour or Libdems actually have local candidates yet?
 
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ATJ said:
Its only been six hours!
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That's precisely the problem. Lefroy's been in the job and is a known quantity (yes i know) and any opposition will only have a very short space of time to get established, making the prospect of mounting a strong challenge even more difficult.

Now if Rowan were to stand. Local, well known. I might not agree with him on many things but I think I'd be willing to risk a vote for him on a purely local basis.
 
tek-monkey

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ATJ said:
Look, in all of this (and every general election really) we all would do well to remember that the only person we actually vote for is our local MP. It angers me to see LeFroy win because people are 'voting Tory' when he's a useless yes man who has done nothing for this town, while David Kidney lost his seat, despite being an excellent local representative, because people can't separate national hysteria from actual influence.

The only people voting for or against Corbyn are in Islington. The only people voting for or against May are in Maidenhead.

Please don't just vote down blind party lines. Take a look at what your local candidates stand for. Take a look at actual manifestos instead of press headlines. This is not a 'Brexit' general election. This is not a referendum. This is First Past The Post and it sucks but it's what we've got.
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Actually voting Lefroy is voting for May, because he does whatever he is told. I agree though the only chance we have, and certainly our hospital has, is someone that cares enough about Stafford to stand up for us.
 
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tek-monkey said:
Actually voting Lefroy is voting for May, because he does whatever he is told. I agree though the only chance we have, and certainly our hospital has, is someone that cares enough about Stafford to stand up for us.
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Sadly for us, the hospital is a battle that was lost way back in the Blair/Brown days. May's just putting the final nail in the coffin, nothing more.
 
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