General Election 2017

joshua

joshua

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Perhaps, with a bit of luck, the potential complete annihilation of Labour at the GE will force the PLP to sort itself out and actually become a party for the people again, and at the same time forcing the extreme left back into the political wilderness where they can happily continue infighting amongst themselves blaming each other for the fact that ordinary people do not want their brand of vicious, backward "socialism"...

One can but hope.
 
joshua

joshua

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Our Glorious leader, for now, for evermore, so say we all
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

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joshua said:
Perhaps, with a bit of luck, the potential complete annihilation of Labour at the GE will force the PLP to sort itself out and actually become a party for the people again, and at the same time forcing the extreme left back into the political wilderness where they can happily continue infighting amongst themselves blaming each other for the fact that ordinary people do not want their brand of vicious, backward "socialism"...

One can but hope.
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Are they the extreme left, or are we so far right nowadays that anything even remotely central is seen as left? If we compare policies with the Thatcher years for example, and what Labour were then, are the current lot really extreme left? We live in a society where cutting hospitals/police/benefits while giving tax breaks to corporations is seen as normal, which is at odds to where I thought left and right were meant to sit.
 
John Marwood

John Marwood

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tek-monkey said:
Are they the extreme left, or are we so far right nowadays that anything even remotely central is seen as left? If we compare policies with the Thatcher years for example, and what Labour were then, are the current lot really extreme left? We live in a society where cutting hospitals/police/benefits while giving tax breaks to corporations is seen as normal, which is at odds to where I thought left and right were meant to sit.
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The mere fact you ask this question highlights the effect 'The Seven' have on the minds of the Great Britain
 
Noah

Noah

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So what are the lizards trying to do at the moment, and why has a senior one apparently retired?
 
Gramaisc

Gramaisc

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Why are the plaques veiled in the first place?

Is it to placate all the Muslims, political correctness gone mad!
 
Malcolm

Malcolm

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Labour is now incompatible with being working class. Socialists hate the working class and turn their noses up at them.
Socialists tell brexit voters they are stupid and mis-informed, but they voted that way because their traditional party of choice, Labour, stopped representing them years ago.
Labour have a leader who genuinely believes in representing the people and is therefore what I would call a proper socialist. He comes across to me as a genuine man who wants to change things for the better. The problem is, his party and all the people they represent, are not. This is why Labour can't win. The leader (working class representative) is incompatible with the party (younger middle class / minorities, etc. representatives).

Here we have a young middle-class, professional, and as I understand, millionaire socialist Owen Jones. He is asking people for money to help Labour win the election. It sounds like he's trying to raise money for a donkey sanctuary.

I don't understand:
Why would ordinary white working class people who have proved they can come out and vote in great numbers, change their opinion based on this?
What will be the payback for them?
How would giving money to Owen Jones help Labour win the election when the odds are stacked so heavily against them for the reasons I've given above?
Can any amount of money thrown at it change the way things are?
I wonder how much of his own money he is going to contribute to the cause?

Could we trust Diane Abbot as our Home Secretary?
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Roland said:
Not policy changes but maybe a change of leader although it is probably too late for that.
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What is it that you feel their leader is doing wrong? If the policies are good, what properties are required in their leader that they are currently lacking? He's honest, he can debate well, he doesn't take the piss on expenses like most MP's. Everyone tells me he needs to go, but the reason seems to be that he's not like other politicians. Why is that bad?

To use the late great Douglas Adams analogy it's like we finally have a human in the running, but everyone is conditioned to vote lizard.
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
I think Malcolm has a point. We don't have a left wing party anymore, labour is centre and everyone else is to the right pretty much. Jeremy Corbyn is left of centre, hence the problems he has fitting into the party. The fact that he has won 2 leadership battles shows people support him, but perhaps Labour as a party have gone too far off track.
 
R

Roland

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tek-monkey said:
What is it that you feel their leader is doing wrong? If the policies are good, what properties are required in their leader that they are currently lacking? He's honest, he can debate well, he doesn't take the piss on expenses like most MP's. Everyone tells me he needs to go, but the reason seems to be that he's not like other politicians. Why is that bad?

To use the late great Douglas Adams analogy it's like we finally have a human in the running, but everyone is conditioned to vote lizard.
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Everyone I speak to thinks he is an honest person whether they agree with his policies or not however they don't see him as a leader.

In this day and age image is important and his image is not of someone who would stand up to the likes of Angela Merkel in our Brexit negotiations.

The media has a lot to do with it as they have decided he is unsuitable and most people still believe what they read in the papers.

That said I will be voting Labour this time (first time for a long time) because a Tory landslide victory would be a very dangerous thing indeed!
 
Malcolm

Malcolm

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joshua said:
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This is my point. Ironically, her politics is more representative of what people want now than Labour's. The chav has a voice and is entitled to be represented. See what happens in France tomorrow...
 
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