Leave or Remain?

John Marwood

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No I think it would be the worst thing we could do!

To withdraw from withdrawing would put the EU in a much stronger position if we tried to re-negotiate the terms of our membership.

Can you imagine what would have happened if Scotland had voted to leave the UK and then the politicians had turned round and said well actually perhaps its not such a good idea after all!

What is done is done for better or worse (time will tell) we need to get on with it but I don't think any of our politicians have the will power to see it through properly.


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tek-monkey

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I knew I could rely on you to come up with a suitably irrelevant reply!

Let's take this back to basics John Marwood why, in simple terms (so I can understand), do we need to be a part of the EU?

We benefited from it financially, our currency was worth 15% more when we were part of it?
 

John Marwood

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Brexit

I've always presumed meant Br - Britain, exit - leave, Europe

But Britain or Great Britain is not a country

So ...

It cant

It means Brexit...

which in turn is of course, absolutely meaningless

Kin
 

Roland

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Not really sure how a high FTSE helps me though? Plus its measured in GBP, is it 15% higher?

EDIT: Aren't we now the worst performing economy in the G7?

The FTSE 100 is a general indication of how well the top companies are doing, on the whole when the FTSE is up most companies are up.

My pension is linked to the stock market as are most peoples not lucky enough to be in a final salary scheme and my pension has gone up in value over the last year by over 20%.

With the derisory interest rates being offered to savers my father has invested in a share based ISA and that is doing very nicely as well.

I think you will find that the stock market doing well affects more people than you think.
 

tek-monkey

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The FTSE 100 is a general indication of how well the top companies are doing, on the whole when the FTSE is up most companies are up.

My pension is linked to the stock market as are most peoples not lucky enough to be in a final salary scheme and my pension has gone up in value over the last year by over 20%.

With the derisory interest rates being offered to savers my father has invested in a share based ISA and that is doing very nicely as well.

I think you will find that the stock market doing well affects more people than you think.

If you'd just purchased USD you'd have had a similar return, or any investment away from the GBP really? Also if our currency recovers won't the share prices drop accordingly?

Don't know anyone in a final salary pension scheme, only MPs are allowed those nowadays!
 

Roland

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Brexit

I've always presumed meant Br - Britain, exit - leave, Europe

But Britain or Great Britain is not a country

So ...

It cant

It means Brexit...

which in turn is of course, absolutely meaningless

Kin

I actually agree with you on this one Brexit is a stupid term.
 

Roland

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If you'd just purchased USD you'd have had a similar return, or any investment away from the GBP really? Also if our currency recovers won't the share prices drop accordingly?

Don't know anyone in a final salary pension scheme, only MPs are allowed those nowadays!

I don't have that option as all my pensions are in collective investments.

Believe it or not there are still a lot of people in final salary schemes, nurses, teachers and of course council staff!
 

tek-monkey

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I don't have that option as all my pensions are in collective investments.

Believe it or not there are still a lot of people in final salary schemes, nurses, teachers and of course council staff!

I beg to differ on at least the teachers, they were moved to average salary a while ago. Thats what makes the pay cap even more galling, the longer it is in place the lower everyone's pensions will be. Couldn't comment on the others but I thought the LGPS had moved completely to average salary in 60ths?
 

John Marwood

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']Is that the best you can do? No wonder so many people voted to leave![/URL]


People voted leave for 2 reasons

1 As a means to end Immigration
2 As a protest
3 Stupidity

You can't have voted leave to improve anything at all to do with anything financial
because it's impossible


You did say simple

I can work up from photos to diagrams next when you're ready



Footnote

Anyone over 39 needn't worry about GB&NIEXIT

It'll take soooooooo long
 

Withnail

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No I think it would be the worst thing we could do!

To withdraw from withdrawing would put the EU in a much stronger position if we tried to re-negotiate the terms of our membership.

Can you imagine what would have happened if Scotland had voted to leave the UK and then the politicians had turned round and said well actually perhaps its not such a good idea after all!

What is done is done for better or worse (time will tell) we need to get on with it but I don't think any of our politicians have the will power to see it through properly.
None of this makes any sense...

If we were to 'withdraw from withdrawing', would it not obviate any need to re-negotiate anything?

If the people of Scotland had voted to 'leave the UK', then thought better of it within the kind of time scale we might envisage re. Article 50, then yes, i can quite clearly imagine what would have happened. A bad idea would've been rescinded, were it the 'will of the people' to do so. It's a lot more easy to just not do something, than it is to do it and then undo it. Are you suggesting that there would be an hugely popular outcry within England to oppose such a renegement?

If you don't think our politicians are likely to 'properly' deliver the outcome you would have wished for, why on earth would you stress any kind of necessity for them to 'get on with it'?

Je suis confused?
 
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