Education/employment for young adults

Bob

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Thanks so much for the help and support with previous posts regarding school issues. This forum is incredibly helpful - hence this post.

I have a younger sister, we share an absent, biological waste of space that both of our mothers were unfortunate enough to have a relationship with in the past. My mum had her head screwed on at a relatively young age and moved out of London with me and raised me well. My sister was not so lucky and had a quite an unstable upbringing.

She moved house and schools 3 times during her 2 GCSE years and subsequently left school with no qualifications. She's started courses in her later teens though failed to complete any due to housing issues and has lived in London, Wrexham, Wiltshire, back to London then Staffordshire in the past 5 years. She moved to Stafford 18 months ago and I helped her get settled, paid her deposit and got her help with benefits, the only thing I asked in return is that she found herself a job. So far no job.

It's not for lack of trying, I'm constantly sending her web links for jobs advertised, everything from care to catering, bar work and office based apprentices, she is applying but getting very few interviews and no offers. She's lacked confidence and motivation which has worsened with every rejection, but she has recently completed a 12 week Prince's Trust course designed to help in these areas of her life. The course has been brilliant for her and she seems much happier and far more motivated. I'm concerned that a few weeks of back to the job centre and nowhere to go of a weekday morning will see her slip back into her old routine.

Her age is a problem, she'll be 20 before the next intake on any college course and cannot fund a course herself, her lack of GCSE's put many employers off but it's not a lack of capability, just circumstance at the time, nobody however seems to be willing to take a chance on her. She's done voluntary work in a charity shop in Stafford and has some catering experience from before she moved here.

I want to help, but I don't know where to start, I can't seem to find anything that can put her on the right track because of her age, under 19 or over 25 and there are options for education but currently zip. I don't know if thing's have changed in recent years, I bounced from job to job to job at her age and have worked in virtually every pub and fast food/takeaway establishment in a 15 mile radius, I never struggled to find work even temporary work while I was at college, it wasn't until I'd finished my A levels that I actually stayed in one place for more than a year. In reality I think there was only two interviews for jobs before the age of 21 that I didn't get. Is there less unskilled work now or are people just more picky?

If anyone hears of any jobs going, aside from indeed and the like which she trawls hourly would be thoroughly appreciated. Any funding routes for NVQ's or GCSE retakes would also be greatly appreciated, as would any suggestions for anything I can bully her into to get her out of the house at 9 am on Monday morning.

Thanks guys and girls.
 

tek-monkey

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Will keep an ear out. I thought the college evening courses for gcse English and maths were still free but may be wrong, no good til September but getting the right gcses is essential nowadays.

Apprenticeships are roll on roll off, so can start any time, but you have to choose carefully as some are just modern day slavery!
 

Thehooperman

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If you search for free courses Stafford there are a number of Functional courses at Stafford college that say they are free e.g. functional skills maths. They are both evening and daytime.

There are also a number of open events to go and talk to the college but be careful because it looks like some are aimed at school kids and it may knock your sister's confidence if she's pitched in amongst a load of kids at an Open event.

Also looks like there's further financial support on this link www.staffordcoll.ac.uk/finance

Hope this is useful.
 

WHarris

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Apologies if you have heard any of the below but I would recommend exploring the following routes:

1) There are a number of organisations that may be able to help as a support function with getting into work, https://www.talentmatchstaffs.org.uk have an office in Staffordshire (I think Lichfield) but can provide support with online mentorships and other support.

2) As tek-monkey mentioned apprenticeships can be either fantastic or terrible, I have both done an apprenticeship and employed people on it, it can be a bit hit and miss but is usually a good way into wider employment, rarely are they well paid. A Level 2 NVQ apprenticeship is equal to GCSEs. I believe there is a NOVA training in Stafford but there may well be other providers.

3) Care can be a very rewarding sector to work in if you are the right kind of person, some care providers that offer establishment care (Nursing and Care Homes) will train staff with no experience, once you get 3 or 6 months experience, depending on the company, you can also train up to go into domiciliary care. From there most decent providers will give decent opportunities to take on additional training to become a Senior HCA or a number of other roles. Care is incredibly demanding however and requires the right kind of person but a skilled and reputable senior HCA can make decent money. I also know a few people who have gone from a HCA role into Nursing and are now qualified RGNs.

I hope that is of some help.
 

That-Crazy-Rat-Lady

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@Gramaisc I don't know if you can help me find the post but there was someone who posted a couple of years ago about free courses in Stafford?

They were all customer service / employment based and were held once a week in Risingbrook.

I did a customer service course which was fantastic - I got a job off the back of it (they were more interested in that free qualification than my degree!)

Hopefully they still run!
 

Gramaisc

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@Gramaisc I don't know if you can help me find the post but there was someone who posted a couple of years ago about free courses in Stafford?

They were all customer service / employment based and were held once a week in Risingbrook.

I did a customer service course which was fantastic - I got a job off the back of it (they were more interested in that free qualification than my degree!)

Hopefully they still run!
Mmm, was it here - http://www.staffordforum.com/xf/ind...roduce-yourself-here.9356/page-23#post-212417 ?
 

Bob

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Thanks everyone, I've sent her the links to look through and one of the NOVA training ones looks decent, I don't think she'd searched through them before either, so it's another arrow in the job hunting bow.

I'm not sure about the SARH courses in terms of getting her a job but I've said she ought to pop along, if only to get out of the house and interact with people.

@c0tt0nt0p she did do some volunteering in a charity shop, they did some till training, shop opening, dealing with stock and customer service etc. but it was only a day a week, they worked with the job centre so took on quite a few people from there, there wasn't enough work to get a real experience although anything is better than nothing, I know she left there to do the Prince's Trust course I'm not sure if there is a position still there or not but she did apply to a couple externally from the Job centre and unfortunately (fortunately for them obviously) everywhere was fully staffed.
 

Mikinton

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Would employment agencies be any good? When my daughter was between contracts over Christmas, she signed on and they pointed to the agencies, and they found her an office job (at "living wage" rate) fairly quickly. I should say she has a fairly long employment history in her field, but little in the job they found her.
 

Bob

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Would employment agencies be any good? When my daughter was between contracts over Christmas, she signed on and they pointed to the agencies, and they found her an office job (at "living wage" rate) fairly quickly. I should say she has a fairly long employment history in her field, but little in the job they found her.

She approached a couple of agencies, catering and care but they require a driving licence which she doesn't have unfortunately. As for the office based roles I know she contacted a couple but because of her academic qualifications or lack of as well as no experience she didn't hear back from them. She's limited to the Stafford area or somewhere within easily accessible public transport. People expect temps to be able to hit the ground running and it would take time to train, she is competent on a computer with office programs and she's great with people, I think she would excel in a customer service role.

I've just sent her a message now suggesting she do a food hygiene, first aid and fire safety in the work place course though the three total in excess of £300.

Are these beneficial in any way? I would assume these would look good on her CV and show willingness to learn as well as commitment to want to work but in reality do employers actually look at these things and do they want them? I know it wouldn't hurt for her to have them but do they justify the cost? It's easy for me, we work to an international certification criteria as a minimum and we can't employ anyone with out it. It's hard and expensive to get the licence's but they cover everything needed to do the job and more, well at least in terms of paperwork, they still let the odd one slip through the net with no real idea.
 
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Frontal

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In reality most places that want those certificates pay to send staff off to do them, so not sure they are worth a £300 investment.

Might be better served doing some free courses first on a platform like open learn to show willingness to train. They aren't fantastic, but would show an interest in development in certain sectors.

Otherwise, get her out and hit the pavement with some CV's. One of my friends told me once no pubs were hiring.... I took him out and dragged him around town centre and well over 50% were actually looking for staff, they just dont advertise online as they get a lot of time wasters (ie folks who are merely going through the motions of applying for jobs)
 

zebidee

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Attempting to get functional skills in English and maths (as an alternative to gcses) would stand her in good stead for employers and further courses in general but I don't know what the options are locally there.
 

Thehooperman

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Attempting to get functional skills in English and maths (as an alternative to gcses) would stand her in good stead for employers and further courses in general but I don't know what the options are locally there.

My post earlier had some details on functional skills courses and it looks like they're free.
 

staffordjas

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I spent 24 years working in (old fashioned) computing systems and accounts. I went on courses when I wanted to get back to work after having son, to get up to date with the fast moving technology. I passed all the exams , got all the certificates, but all the jobs that I then applied for wanted 'working experience' in these new systems !
Ended up working in a bakery and school kitchens (a right sh1te job ) in the end while son was at school.

@Bob Good luck to you and your sister in finding a decent job for her .
 
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tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
I spent 24 years working in (old fashioned) computing systems and accounts. I went on courses when I wanted to get back to work after having son, to get up to date with the fast moving technology. I passed all the exams , got all the certificates, but all the jobs that I then applied for wanted 'working experience' in these new systems !
Ended up working in a bakery and school kitchens (a right sh1te job ) in the end while son was at school.

@Bob Good luck to you and your sister in finding a decent job for her .
I found that after uni, they asked what real world work experience you had. I've been at uni FFS, you know I only have my year placement!
 
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