Leave or Remain?

tek-monkey said:

I'm starting to get lost now, is this satire?

You voted to leave the EU, everything else was in your head. Nothing else was mentioned, nothing was promised, just if we would remain a member of the EU. We could literally do a Norway or crash out spectacularly and you'd still get what you voted for?

EDIT: Still not seen any actual positives, care to mention any rather than vague rhetoric?

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Youre running around with your tinfoil hat on. Stop being a drama queen. Man up a little. Youre all winding each other up on here its magnificent. Talk about echo chambers!Its like some conspiracy theory site. As far as positives go were still negotiating, how can anyone, including you conspiracy theorists, give a critique of the positive or negative points before we actually know the deal?

Why dont you tell what you think could be the worst case scenario, just for a laugh?

" The Brexit we voted for " ..

One of the most nonsensical statements in history .

Brexit was never ever explained, and now we know why

Every Brexit voter in the country appears to have had their own simplistic fantasy idea of what they were voting for

But none can describe it to any level of detail even now two years later




Absolutepish In deed

Maybe i should have chosen a picture of jeremy corbyn and chose the username "gasdejews"? Id probably have gone under the radar as a loyal corbynite.

captainpish said:

Youre running around with your tinfoil hat on. Stop being a drama queen. Man up a little. Youre all winding each other up on here its magnificent. Talk about echo chambers!Its like some conspiracy theory site. As far as positives go were still negotiating, how can anyone, including you conspiracy theorists, give a critique of the positive or negative points before we actually know the deal?

Why dont you tell what you think could be the worst case scenario, just for a laugh?

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So you can't give us a single example of brexit doing something good? Not one?

Worst case scenario keeps getting worse, but lets just look at the current situation eh? Our money is worth less, we are going to need a hard border again in Ireland, we have no trade deals waiting to pounce and WTO tariffs are about to be applied. TBH if that had been said before the vote I've have thought it scare mongering yet that is where we are.

In one sense Brexit has already achieved what the majority (of those who voted) voted for, it has returned power to the UK parliament.

So regardless of what the public do or don't want, the end result is likely to depend more on how the parliamentary numbers stack up. According to the Economist, in March (https://www.economist.com/britain/2018/03/01/parliaments-silent-majority-could-thwart-a-hard-brexit), the numbers were 487 in favour of some form of customs union and 155 against. Of course, there are many more factions within those numbers and there may have been a little bit of movement within those numbers, but there is a clear majority who will not sign up to a hard Brexit. And anyway, any deal that creates a hard Irish border will be vetoed by Ireland.

So, a hard Brexit is only likely to occur as a result of a failure to agree a deal rather than as something that parliament would vote for.

So, faced with the prospect of no deal, and a hard Brexit, what would most of those 487 MPs do?

1. Let the hard Brexit happen (knowing, as a result, the DUP would bring down the government)?
2. Vote for a second referendum?
3. Vote to remain in the EU?
4. Vote to seek an extension to negotiations?

Despite all the rhetoric on here,in the media etc., the real war is being fought within parliament. The 155 who want a hard Brexit are a distraction. They will manoeuvre (amendments) things to try and force a no deal, but they can't force through a hard Brexit deal as such. So, the real power lies with the 487. Ultimately, it will be they who decide our future, and I've a feeling that few will be happy with the outcome, remainers or leavers.

Hunt warns the EU to back down as we won't, after the wonders he's done for the NHS I can't see this going wrong?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44918262

Minister Hunt plans for 1000s more border control staff to be recruited in case of 'no deal'
Likelihood is they'll have to be in place well before 'no deal'

So 7 weeks from now all required number of extra border staff are employed and commence training

11 weeks from now a deal is done and 1000s of extra border staff no longer required

Or 34 weeks from now minister Hunt demands 1000s of extra border staff a.s.a.p.

Now where could a large number of diligent, capable, qualified and bilingual people be found at such short notice?.....

basil said:

Minister Hunt plans for 1000s more border control staff to be recruited in case of 'no deal'
Likelihood is they'll have to be in place well before 'no deal'

So 7 weeks from now all required number of extra border staff are employed and commence training

11 weeks from now a deal is done and 1000s of extra border staff no longer required

Or 34 weeks from now minister Hunt demands 1000s of extra border staff a.s.a.p.

Now where could a large number of diligent, capable, qualified and bilingual people be found at such short notice?.....

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In a lucky bag?

captainpish said:

What the hell are you smoking over there? Youve got to calm down, quit spending your time raging online about brexit, youre gonna make yourself ill.

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Noted. I feel better already.

captainpish said:

We just need to stop bending over a barrel and ... we'd be coming away with a sweet deal and the upper hand on the commies. The Don wouldnt be taking this kind of spanking, hed be pulling out and the alcoholic would be paying him for the priviledge. On a positive note the more they piss us about with their demands, the closer we get to a brexit we voted for.

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Let's play a game. Not the apostrophe game, because that would be demonstrably unfair.

Let's play an analogy game instead, if you're up for it? I'll go first seeing as i'm here...

So, we're sitting on a bus. You and me, side by side, right behind the driver. The driver veers off the intended route and starts barrelling down a dirt track heading towards a high cliff.

The driver tries to settle the nerves of his passengers, informing them that this is actually a magic bus that can fly.

About half of the passengers are not, in any way, reassured by this communique. Half of them appear happy enough though.

The bus continues apace toward the cliff.

The driver keeps saying 'it'll be fine, just trust me', and begins to look quite psychotic as the cliff-edge approaches, and we then notice that this bus has an ejector-seat installed, so that the driver will not suffer the consequences if the 'magic bus' can't actually fly.

The most pragmatic approach at this point would probably be to close one's eyes and hope the bus can actually fly, yes?

Also, re. 'a brexit we voted for' - you are aware that the UK cannot 'just' rely on WTO trading rules?

We would have to negotiate that with 160 other trading Nations never mind 29.

Yes, 29 - because there are the 28 members of the EU and the EU itself, with which we would have to negotiate to find our own place within the WTO; picking apart quotas and tariffs that might not be agreed to by, oh let's say Argentina, before everything was accepted.

But it's not like we have any 'beef' with Argentina, is it?

All plain sailing, what?

Yeah, man, don't know what i'm worrying my pretty little head over.

The member for Somerset North might raise an eyebrow at being described as a bus driver....

Withnail said:

We would have to negotiate that with 160 other trading Nations never mind 29.

Yes, 29 - because there are the 28 members of the EU and the EU itself,

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28. You don't have to negotiate with yourself, even if that is mostly what seems to be going on now.

Gramaisc said:

28. You don't have to negotiate with yourself, even if that is mostly what seems to be going on now.

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Thank god for that, as we are not doing too well on that front lately!

It amazes me how the government is allowing the result of the referendum to stand given that the Leave campaign cheated by overspending, lied consistently about the amount of money the EU costs, the amount of immigration amongst other things.

I'm pretty sure that if it had been the Remain campaign which had cheated, then F***ge, Rees-Mogg and their cronies would be constantly declaring the referendum illegal and 'null and void'.

Amazed?
Really?
Honestly?

Jonah said:

It amazes me how the government is allowing the result of the referendum to stand given that the Leave campaign cheated by overspending, lied consistently about the amount of money the EU costs, the amount of immigration amongst other things.

I'm pretty sure that if it had been the Remain campaign which had cheated, then F***ge, Rees-Mogg and their cronies would be constantly declaring the referendum illegal and 'null and void'.

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The result is neither here nor there - it was never a binding referendum, that was made very clear in the legislation.

The decision to follow through is a purely political one. A party political one. Mostly about internal Tory party politics.

Gramaisc said:

The result is neither here nor there - it was never a binding referendum, that was made very clear in the legislation.

The decision to follow through is a purely political one. A party political one. Mostly about internal Tory party politics.

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No you are wrong. The vote was quite clearly to fcuk the whole country up for decades to come.

proactive said:

No you are wrong. The vote was quite clearly to fcuk the whole country up for decades to come.

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That is what most votes do.