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That vegan thread.
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That-Crazy-Rat-Lady
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Was in Sainsbury's Stafford yesterday - MASSIVE selection of vegan cheeses and meals!
So jealous! Nothing like that for miles where I am!
So jealous! Nothing like that for miles where I am!
1JKz
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In Sainsburys recently and hadn't been for a short while so got to see the change around.
Woh(!) the milk choice we now have!!
kyoto49
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littleme
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There will be a Vegan Fair at Oddfellows Hall on Sunday 16th September...
https://m.facebook.com/events/845409532326021?acontext={"ref"%3A"3"%2C"action_history"%3A"null"%7D&aref=3
https://m.facebook.com/events/845409532326021?acontext={"ref"%3A"3"%2C"action_history"%3A"null"%7D&aref=3
kyoto49
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I finally visited Tranquility near Castlefields today. Small but lots of vegan friendly cosmetics. Bought a couple of shampoo bars to help reduce our single use plastic usage. Did recommend to the owner that people who want vegan friendly products probably care about the environment as well so would possibly prefer soap wrapped in paper. I can't get my head round them wrapping organic eco and vegan friendly soap in plastic 
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Anyways, while there we met the owner of Roots, the new shop where you take your container when you buy food staples such as pasta, rice etc. Nice bloke who is keen to listen to what customers want and meet their requirements. He will be having a pop up shop at Tranquility with his main storage being at his house in Tillimgton Street. He will also have an internet ordering process.
All very exciting really
.Anyways, while there we met the owner of Roots, the new shop where you take your container when you buy food staples such as pasta, rice etc. Nice bloke who is keen to listen to what customers want and meet their requirements. He will be having a pop up shop at Tranquility with his main storage being at his house in Tillimgton Street. He will also have an internet ordering process.
All very exciting really
littleme
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I dont understand this at all...I'm all for getting rid of plastic (who on their right mind needs to protect a whole Coconut in shrink wrapped plastic anyway?), but, isn't using paper just as bad? I was born in the 70's & grew up being told that we were using too much paper, cutting down too many trees, which was causing de-forrestation which in turn was affecting our climate.... Paper is bad!
Recently, in a large supermarket that shall remain nameless, I spotted a couple that were using small cloth mesh bags (the type that you put your smalls in, in the washing machine) to keep their veg together whilst being weighed, which is a brilliant idea, easily washable & reuseable - and on my recent holiday in Wales I noticed that shops there are bringing back those stretchy string bags from the 70's - I wish I had thought to buy one at the time!
So, is it just me that thinks that paper is as bad as plastic?
Gramaisc
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The material in paper will get back into the system much faster than plastic will - litter 'suddenly' became a visible problem in the 1970s largely because it became much longer-lasting when plastic film replaced paper wrappers.
There are several aspects to this. Reducing pointless, instantly discarded packaging is generally a good thing. Using materials which decompose fairly rapidly is also generally good, as long as they last long enough to do the intended job, of course. Plastic waste has lots of nasty consequences, you'll wait a long time to find a turtle stuck in a paper bag.
Mixing materials is also a big problem - the press-out foil and plastic trays that a lot of prescription drugs come in now, instead of being counted into a bottle that you could bring back, are almost unrecyclable, for example.
Tubes of toothpaste do not need to be supplied in individual cardboard boxes, cream crackers do not need to be individually wrapped in pairs, etc...
There are several aspects to this. Reducing pointless, instantly discarded packaging is generally a good thing. Using materials which decompose fairly rapidly is also generally good, as long as they last long enough to do the intended job, of course. Plastic waste has lots of nasty consequences, you'll wait a long time to find a turtle stuck in a paper bag.
Mixing materials is also a big problem - the press-out foil and plastic trays that a lot of prescription drugs come in now, instead of being counted into a bottle that you could bring back, are almost unrecyclable, for example.
Tubes of toothpaste do not need to be supplied in individual cardboard boxes, cream crackers do not need to be individually wrapped in pairs, etc...
kyoto49
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Paper and I mean paper, not plastic coated paper will rot down very quickly. No way is it bad at all. The trees used for paper production are cut and the whole area replanted with more trees so no deforestation occurs, just a temporary reduction in mature trees, it's like a cycle. Every year a massive area is planted to replace the ones cut down. If this is turned in to paper then this is very green. It can either be composted or recycled. Trees are not a finite resource in managed forests. Paper is good
Contrast to plastic which is prodiced from oil, a finite resource, that basically never degrades and is hard to recycle. A paper bag has never killed marine life. It would either rip when wet or get digested when eaten.
Plastic bad, paper good
I realise nothing is quite this simplistic!
littleme
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@Gramaisc & @kyoto49 I get & agree with both of your posts, but using paper/cardboatd is still just as bad & in effect robbing Peter to pay Paul.
According to WWF we are still loosing 27 football pitches per minuite to deforrestation which has a huge effect on our climate....
https://www.worldwildlife.org/threats/deforestation
...this cant be good... Someone invent a soloution quick!
According to WWF we are still loosing 27 football pitches per minuite to deforrestation which has a huge effect on our climate....
https://www.worldwildlife.org/threats/deforestation
...this cant be good... Someone invent a soloution quick!
Gramaisc
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The current global deforestation problem is not (largely) a result of demand for paper - it's mostly palm oil, illegal (and legal) logging and clearance for other agriculture and mining.
And we do live in a country in which almost every tree was cut down for economic reasons. There is virtually none of the original forest left here.
Pointless paper production is still an issue, there is pollution from paper production, not as nasty as it used to be, but it is not harmless - but it is less harmful than the production of futile plastic that will also last for decades in the wild.
We also have issues now that we didn't bother about at all in the old days - tamper-evident packaging is not easy to achieve without disposable and 'not worth recycling' plastics.
Plastic has its uses, its resistance to rotting and corrosion can be of great benefit, and the possibilities of creating almost any shape in one piece, but creating it simply to be thrown away is a bit bonkers.
And we do live in a country in which almost every tree was cut down for economic reasons. There is virtually none of the original forest left here.
Pointless paper production is still an issue, there is pollution from paper production, not as nasty as it used to be, but it is not harmless - but it is less harmful than the production of futile plastic that will also last for decades in the wild.
We also have issues now that we didn't bother about at all in the old days - tamper-evident packaging is not easy to achieve without disposable and 'not worth recycling' plastics.
Plastic has its uses, its resistance to rotting and corrosion can be of great benefit, and the possibilities of creating almost any shape in one piece, but creating it simply to be thrown away is a bit bonkers.
Gramaisc
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And 'trees for paper' tend to be the northern coniferous types, which will grow on land that's not in great demand for anything else, plus recycling of paper-based packaging and newsprint in this country is claimed to be at around 80% now..
I'm told that bamboo pulp is in increasing use for paper now, though.
Newspaper has definitely changed in character over the decades, as anybody who has tried to make pâpier maché will attest. I have been told that this is, at least partly, down to the increasing bamboo content.
Gramaisc
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Veggie Week in Lidl - https://www.lidl.co.uk/en/Offers.htm?id=769&week=1&ar=14
1JKz
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There's almond, there's soy, there's coconut, there's hazelnut, there's rice, there's oat...
What a selection!
1JKz
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Yet another chance to show it's perfectly possible to tweak that traditional something or other (cakey stuff in this instance) and make it cruelty and animal free.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...t-british-bake-off-new-series-vegan-week-gbbo
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...t-british-bake-off-new-series-vegan-week-gbbo
Frontal
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Oh hey, I think you might have spotted me & the mrs out shopping. ( I don't notice many other folks doing it, and B is very into waste minimising) - we also take re-usable containers to the various Makers/farmers markets and Vegan festivals rather than making use of extra packaging.
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littleme
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Its a great idea!Oh hey, I think you might have spotted me & the mrs out shopping. ( I don't notice many other folks doing it, and B is very into waste minimising) - we also take re-usable containers to the various Makers/farmers markets and Vegan festivals rather than making use of extra packaging.