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Leave or Remain?
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Oddly enough.......Thailand, I'm struggling with, but maybe somebody had seen one in Iceland?
Food imports to the USA are actually very confused lately.
it used to be that you could (legally) mail order say - Heinz Beans with the little sausages. Now the more reputable suppliers say they can't ship them to the USA.
Of course there are those who will but you are taking a bit of a gamble.
This is new since Xmas last year.
tek-monkey
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Yup, he's fully supporting the prime minister being allowed to overrule all mps. Couldn't make it up.
Fonzie-NL
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Withnail, this is getting more problematic by the minute.....
and we thought we had strange politicians.....
Might you, I think leaving is not the smartest thing to do.
But then my work is in industry and export.
For us Brexit has a silver lining. More firms coming to our country,
And it has never been so cheap to buy in Britain
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
Withnail, this is getting more problematic by the minute.....
and we thought we had strange politicians.....
Might you, I think leaving is not the smartest thing to do.
But then my work is in industry and export.
For us Brexit has a silver lining. More firms coming to our country,
And it has never been so cheap to buy in Britain
This something no brexiteer seems to understand. When trade with the UK becomes more difficult the obvious choice is for the EU to look internally for other suppliers, giving a boost to anyone previously slightly more expensive. Even if we allow zero tariffs on stuff coming in it won't be reciprocated, making the EU able to export to us cheaply but us export to them at a higher cost. Win-win for EU firms, our only saving grace is that our currency is becoming more worthless by the day so our exports appear cheaper, but on the flip side our imports go up regardless of no import tariffs.
Fonzie-NL
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Tek-monkey, its not only tariffs that will make it more difficult.
A lot of products (technical and non technical) are nowadays built according common agreed standard EU-norms and rules,
Which means you are be able to sell them anywhere in Europe without having to make changes to the product.
After leaving, this advantage is largely lost.
Or you keep continue building equipment according EU-rules and regulations. But that wont make the Brexiteers very happy......
Another option is making two different products, one for UK and one for EU market.
This will only raise the production cost.
While the UK was in the EU they had at least some say in how these EU-norms were formulated.
After leaving even this is out of your hands.....
Trying to make a trade agreement with the US will also not be easy.
It will probably be like loosing the EU “ball and chain”....... and exchanging it for a Trump “ball and chain”
A lot of products (technical and non technical) are nowadays built according common agreed standard EU-norms and rules,
Which means you are be able to sell them anywhere in Europe without having to make changes to the product.
After leaving, this advantage is largely lost.
Or you keep continue building equipment according EU-rules and regulations. But that wont make the Brexiteers very happy......
Another option is making two different products, one for UK and one for EU market.
This will only raise the production cost.
While the UK was in the EU they had at least some say in how these EU-norms were formulated.
After leaving even this is out of your hands.....
Trying to make a trade agreement with the US will also not be easy.
It will probably be like loosing the EU “ball and chain”....... and exchanging it for a Trump “ball and chain”
Fonzie-NL
Well-Known Forumite
We've become a Banana Dictatorship. Except we'll have no bananas.
But you got the monkey!
Withnail, this is getting more problematic by the minute.....
and we thought we had strange politicians.....
Might you, I think leaving is not the smartest thing to do.
But then my work is in industry and export.
For us Brexit has a silver lining. More firms coming to our country,
And it has never been so cheap to buy in Britain
Don't you mean it's never been so cheap to buy Britain?
"Pubs are just a tiny part of a wave of cash flooding to the UK from China and Hong Kong, as the Chinese state and the region’s super-rich take advantage of the collapse in the value of pound to buy up everything from luxury homes, skyscrapers such as London’s Walkie Talkie and Cheesegrater, a third of Hinkley Point C nuclear power station, private schools and Pizza Express."
https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...mbark-on-uk-spending-spree-as-pound-nosedives
We've become a Banana Dictatorship. Except we'll have no bananas.
Now I have that damn song in my head.
"Yes, we have no bananas
We have-a no bananas today."
Thehooperman
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It won't make a jot of difference if we build things to EU standards we won't be able to put a CE stamp or equivalent on it.
A good example is my trade where I we can currently act as Notified Body for assessing a number of rail interoperable subsystems. Post Brexit we can only act as a UK Notified Body (whatever that will be called).
The products we certify won't be certified for use in Europe but strangely any EU Notified Body certified product is automatically certified for UK use. How does that work?
Fonzie-NL
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I think a lot of that will still have to be renegotiated again after Brexit.
We sell Chinese and Taiwan ball and gate valves with CE-mark, to comply with EU PED regulations (Pressure equipment directive)
So if the Chinese can do it, why not you?
It might take some time, everything has to be re-audited again etc,..
And it will take a lot of paperwork and money (as usual)
But thats the price of freedom ;-j
The UK will probably go back to their BS standards (thats British Standards and NOT BullShit for the people that do not know)
We might be forced to supply equipment with BS-mark in the future??
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
Standard response is 'Well we sold to them before the EU so we can sell to them again!', it's like they can't comprehend that the world has changed in 40 years and past governments have since decimated or sold off all our industry.
Interesting point regarding the USA, I think we'll make a stand on not allowing the NHS to be sold just to make Boris look good, but at the cost of lower food standards to appease the US. This will decimate our own food industry as we will be unable to sell to the EU if we match the US standards and unable to compete with cheap US imports if we don't. We'll then sell the NHS anyway.
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
What, you mean like making a deal? We aren't very good at that it seems!
BobClay
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Risky business I'd say if the Sun doesn't come out from behind the clouds at the beginning of November. Kind of risk Charlie 1 took when he raised his standard in Nottingham back in the day … and that didn't end well for him. It also ended badly for the country in general, not that this crew gives a shit about that.