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Leave or Remain?
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Tilly
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Withnail
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I was aiming to be more provocative than rude, but it's a pretty fine line - probably not really a particularly pretty one, but hey ho...
One had hoped it might flush out some Leavers to froth at my arrogance, so we might get them to stay for a while and explain their viewpoint. They have been sadly absent from this thread for too long, and despite my apparently combative persona, i'm actually genuinely interested in their motivation.
That is a fair point, but it was directed more at your "in business, in the West Midlands" social circle, that you claim have changed their inclination from Remain to Leave. It seems almost incomprehensible to me that, given the clusterf*ck of the last three years, anyone would decide that, you know what?, leaving the EU sounds like it actually would be a really good idea. I have changed my mind.
There can only realistically be two reasons to have changed one's position in the last three years - you are either a) incredibly, almost incomprehensibly, dense; or b) you have realised that you can exploit the coming low-tax, low-benefits, low-rights economy that will be ushered in by this brave new world.
The company you keep - see ^ a) & b)
Withnail
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I just want to remind everyone that a 'No Deal' Brexit means that we will spend, at the very least, the next ten years talking about Brexit.
The only way to really stop everyone talking about Brexit is to Revoke Article 50.
To not Brexit at all is the only way to stop everyone talking about Brexit.
To (Br)Exit without a Deal, means talks and talks, and talks about talks, and talks within talks, and talks that will occupy talks about our time for Deals with Here and There, but Here have declined to deal about the bit that There was keen to discuss. Talks have been suspended while agreements can be secured between talks about other talks. As interested parties expand their list of demands.
The only way to really stop this is to acknowledge that Bill Cash is actually a complete dick, to give it up as a bad idea, and to get on with the rest of our lives.
The only way to really stop everyone talking about Brexit is to Revoke Article 50.
To not Brexit at all is the only way to stop everyone talking about Brexit.
To (Br)Exit without a Deal, means talks and talks, and talks about talks, and talks within talks, and talks that will occupy talks about our time for Deals with Here and There, but Here have declined to deal about the bit that There was keen to discuss. Talks have been suspended while agreements can be secured between talks about other talks. As interested parties expand their list of demands.
The only way to really stop this is to acknowledge that Bill Cash is actually a complete dick, to give it up as a bad idea, and to get on with the rest of our lives.
Goldilox
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This reflects my experience as well.
People who told me we must reluctantly accept the democratic decision and implement a Norway-plus Brexit are now campaigning to rescind article 50. People who told me we would get a generous deal easily are now telling me they wanted no-deal all along.
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
Similar here, those that voted leave are (in the main) now saying literally anything that happens is what they voted for. Several are even very vocally supporting the suspension of parliament to get the job done, the kicker being they keep saying in the name of democracy. I've had one happily (even viciously?) agree that the (unelected by us) PM should hold ultimate power over the MPs we chose to represent us.
Tilly
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People are more afraid than we might imagine
Mr Johnson, weirdly, is seen as a strong father figure, whom people feel assured by
People do not take in detail
People like it simple
Press/Media ownership is owned by a small club
The club have demonised anyone who is not of their thinking
The people like to be right
The people believe they are right
The people will vote for reassurance
Mr Johnson will win
Mr Johnson will be elected
Mr Johnson will rip apart every single right that the people hold
They will still love him
They will still love him because the Press/media will tell them to
However, only the dead have seen the end of the war
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
I suspect there would be even less silence about the matter in that event.
It would just perpetuate the 'discussion'.
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
A mate on FB is now arguing that as soon as an MP is deselected it needs to trigger an immediate election in that constituency to select another MP. The idea that unelected PMs can remove elected MPs at will seems fine with him, he thinks the facts have changed regarding party membership and that is enough to allow another vote in the name of democracy.
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
Mmm, ask him if that applies in other cases...
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
He can't see past Brexit, and nothing matters as long as we leave with no deal because that is what he thinks he voted for.
Carole
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Firstly, the business people that I know in the West Midlands are people that I’ve met several times but they don’t necessarily form part of my social circle.
Secondly you say that I should re think the company that I keep based on their political views.
That’s an odd thing to say and it probably says much about someone if thats their attitude to friendship.
There are several things that I look for in a friend including, and in no particular order, good company, comfortable to converse with, accepting, non judgmental, kind, thoughtful, honest, decent, loyal, trustworthy, supportive, have integrity, empathetic.
I certainly wouldn’t dismiss a friendship just because someone thinks differently to me or votes in a different way to me.
Actually at most of our social occasions, because my friends tend to be very interesting people with lots going on in their lives, the conversation is usually extremely lively without veering off into politics.
BobClay
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Some of you may remember an actor called Brian Rix !! He was actually quite a sensible fellow who made his mark in classic British farces (a sort of giant piss take of the British way of life, which usually involved troubles with women, and losing your trousers every other act (is that not familiar to some, or is that not familiar to some ? 
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I can't help but think Brian is looking down on all this behaviour and wondering how there can actually be a situation even more farcical than him in his hay day !!
He must be turning in his grave.
))I can't help but think Brian is looking down on all this behaviour and wondering how there can actually be a situation even more farcical than him in his hay day !!
He must be turning in his grave.
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
As with so many things, a specific thread exists - http://www.staffordforum.com/xf/ind...of-whitehall-in-the-city-of-westminster.3484/Some of you may remember an actor called Brian Rix !! He was actually quite a sensible fellow who made his mark in classic British farces (a sort of giant piss take of the British way of life, which usually involved troubles with women, and losing your trousers every other act (is that not familiar to some, or is that not familiar to some ?
I can't help but think Brian is looking down on all this behaviour and wondering how there can actually be a situation even more farcical than him in his hay day !!
He must be turning in his grave.