Leave or Remain?

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
I'm starting to wonder if anyone could do worse than the current lot, 3 years to negotiate something that, if I remember correctly, should easily have been done over lunch?
 

joshua

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I'm proper chilled, finding it hilarious to watch Labour refusing a GE after 2 years constantly asking for one. They are terrified of the ballot box, unlike the majority of voters.
 

Noah

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George Canning 119days
Lord Goderich 130 days
Andrew Bonar Law 209 days
Duke of Devonshire 225 days

Alec Douglas Home & Spencer Compton about a year each
 
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Cue

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I'm proper chilled, finding it hilarious to watch Labour refusing a GE after 2 years constantly asking for one. They are terrified of the ballot box, unlike the majority of voters.

Because a GE right now would result in No Deal 100%, because there would be no time to actually focus on preventing it
 

Carole

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My anger is towards those who were eligible to vote but were too apathetic to get off their backside, go to the voting station and put a tick in a box.

If you don’t vote, it absolutely means that you can’t complain about the result afterwards.
Sorry but NO.
 

Cue

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My anger is towards those who were eligible to vote but were too apathetic to get off their backside, go to the voting station and put a tick in a box.

If you don’t vote, it absolutely means that you can’t complain about the result afterwards.
Sorry but NO.

It’s only recently that things have actually become more polarising. Labour going further left, Tories further right. Nuclear Yes vs Status Quo No.

It’s not entirely impossible that after years and years of bullshit and seeing that no matter who was in power it felt like it was all the same (though obviously that has shown itself to be false, we’d never be in this mess if not for a bacon sandwich), which has demoralised a lot of people from voting. I can certainly see why some didn’t, and actually I suspect quite a lot of people didn’t even really understand the referendum in the first place - and those who wanted to Leave had no reason to educate them, as they’re actually more likely to vote for the status quo. The remain side were too complacent which got us in this mess in the first place (that and a bacon sandwich)

Also worth mentioning that Tories benefit from low turnout (because their ageing base always turn up), so pushes to vote aren’t really in their interest. Not too different in the US, where supporters of certain orange masses actually get upset when people are encouraged to vote because “encouraging people to vote is a loony lefty thing” or something stupid like that.

I voted in everything more recently (ref, local election for council, GE, etc) because I very much want a blue purge. I didn’t vote in the GE that put Cameron in though, and I regret that.
 

Tilly

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I suspect your right. The thing is that the many of the leavers resolve has hardened. We want out whatever the cost! We haven't come this far to let us to be fobbed off with an half arsed compromise.

Just a reminder that your Pro-Brexit name is your favourite monarch followed by the last place you visited in Lancashire

Mine is Ethelred Oswaldtwistle
 

Carole

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It’s not entirely impossible that after years and years of bullshit and seeing that no matter who was in power it felt like it was all the same (though obviously that has shown itself to be false, I can certainly see why some didn’t, and actually I suspect quite a lot of people didn’t even really understand the referendum in the first place - and those who wanted to Leave had no reason to educate them, as they’re actually more likely to vote for the status quo.

I voted in everything more recently (ref, local election for council, GE, etc) because I very much want a blue purge. I didn’t vote in the GE that put Cameron in though, and I regret that.

Sorry but that is just excuses, excuses.

How old are you?
Have you studied history?
Do you realise how privileged we are to be able to vote locally?

Some countries walk 5 miles to vote.
In this country, century’s ago, women couldn’t vote at all.

It’s a cop out to say that your vote doesn’t make a difference.
Even voting tactically is better than not voting at all.

And your last comment to say that people didn’t understand the referendum. Well yes, I understand that a huge number of people didn’t actually research the information that was available to them.
But if perhaps people had taken time to look deeper and ask questions then they may have voted differently.

But that’s assuming that people have a mind of their own.
 
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Cue

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Sorry but that is just excuses, excuses.

How old are you?
Have you studied history?
Do you realise how privileged we are to be able to vote locally?

Some countries walk 5 miles to vote.
In this country, century’s ago, women couldn’t vote at all.

It’s a cop out to say that your vote doesn’t make a difference.
Even voting tactically is better than not voting at all.

And your last comment to say that people didn’t understand the referendum. Well yes, I get understand that a huge number of people didn’t actually research the information that was available to them.
But if perhaps people had taken time to look deeper and ask questions then they may have voted differently.

But that’s assuming that people have a mind of their own.

The 2015 GE was the first one I was eligible to vote in. So I missed a grand total of 1.

A considerable amount of the now able to vote population has only seen a recession and austerity in the “politically aware” lifetime. So it’s not surprising that a lot of those people are pretty apathetic
 

Carole

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The 2015 GE was the first one I was eligible to vote in.

A considerable amount of the now able to vote population has only seen a recession and austerity in the “politically aware” lifetime. So it’s not surprising that a lot of those people are pretty apathetic

So you’re about 22 years old?
And you think that in your lifetime you’ve only seen recession and austerity?
If you really think that, then shouldn’t that be a reason to vote rather than not vote?


@Cue it’s an insult to those that have gone before and made sacrifices for you to say that your life now is recession and austerity.

You haven’t experienced food shortages or rationing. You haven’t experienced a war.

There is simply no excuse for not voting.
 
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