Rugby Club progress...

Mikinton

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Ok MillieD I apologise if I appeared a little insensitive at your expense. Can I redeem myself with a practical suggestion ?

Why not get any other neighbours, similarly affected by light spill, to sign a petition to present to the club asking for financial assistance for the fitting of supplementary bedroom blackout blinds. You could even raise awareness with a staged photo in the local press depicting yourself and assembled neighbours outside at night wearing dressings gowns and dark glasses looking skywards and shaking fists at the lights (?)
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WoolmanT

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If you don't get any joy from the rugby club, you should contact Environmental Health at the Borough Council, as light pollution can be deemed to cause a Statutory Nuisance under the Clean Neighbourhoods & Environment Act 2005.

We had the floodlight manufacturers in last night to test to see if the light spill complies with the spill plan approved at planning. Will report back when I see results
 

Pooryorick

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This isn't a few feet of light spill at the boundaries, this is a zillion Watts going into a nature reserve. Have a look from the M6. When the 'error' is discovered the council will be out there with angle grinders, no doubt.
 

joshua

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We had the floodlight manufacturers in last night to test to see if the light spill complies with the spill plan approved at planning. Will report back when I see results

Would you be willing to get them to adjust the lights to reduce any issues raised by residents ?
 

WoolmanT

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This isn't a few feet of light spill at the boundaries, this is a zillion Watts going into a nature reserve. Have a look from the M6. When the 'error' is discovered the council will be out there with angle grinders, no doubt.

If it doesn’t comply, it will be sorted
 

WoolmanT

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Would you be willing to get them to adjust the lights to reduce any issues raised by residents ?

I discussed with the lighting engineer last night ways of reducing glare from the lights. As I’ve repeatedly said, we want to get on with neighbours and to be honest I don’t think it’s rocket science sorting lighting out
 

WoolmanT

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I rode past it last week and viewing from afar from the Isabel Trail, and without getting up close and personal, i only saw it for what it is, and that is an absolute disaster.

Natural England has quite obviously been bought off to temper their objection to this absolute feck up.

Disaster
I rode past it last week and viewing from afar from the Isabel Trail, and without getting up close and personal, i only saw it for what it is, and that is an absolute disaster.

Natural England has quite obviously been bought off to temper their objection to this absolute feck up.

Disaster? There we disagree, but as you’ve pointed out before we are never going to see eye to eye on this.
Everyone loves a conspiracy theory but there has been no brown envelopes
 

Pooryorick

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I discussed with the lighting engineer last night ways of reducing glare from the lights. As I’ve repeatedly said, we want to get on with neighbours and to be honest I don’t think it’s rocket science sorting lighting out

So it's strange that everyone aprt from the council and the rubber club doubted that floodlights could be directed so precisely. If they're not complying with the rules why are they switched on now? Or are they really UFO landing lights?
 

WoolmanT

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So it's strange that everyone aprt from the council and the rubber club doubted that floodlights could be directed so precisely. If they're not complying with the rules why are they switched on now? Or are they really UFO landing lights?

Did I say they weren’t complying? We don’t know until we get test results, if they are not, it will be sorted
 

gon2seed

(and me! - Ed)
My run last night took me along the Isabel Trail from Doxey Rd to the Beaconside Rd and back. As the trail is under water at the Eccleshall Rd Bridge, I diverted for a few hundred yards, ran through the crematory, down Izaak Walton St, before rejoining the old railway line. Upon retracing my steps, I crossed the crematory and was accosted by the floodlights in all their glory! Have to be seen to be believed! I have viewed them from Doxey Rd, many times, and they don't appear anywhere near a great a light pollution problem as they do, from a raised area, a couple of hundred yards away across a black marsh. I doubt the powers that be, ever envisaged such a display. Perhaps shows how naive I am!​
 

Withnail

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Disaster? There we disagree, but as you’ve pointed out before we are never going to see eye to eye on this.
Everyone loves a conspiracy theory but there has been no brown envelopes
The first application for this development was roundly opposed by the Staffordshire Wildlife Trust, with a fully appointed document detailing the extent of their objections on numerous counts.

Natural England made no case against, but essentially delegated their response to the most appropriate body 'on the ground', by saying that planners should pay "strong regard" to that body, which was and is the Staffordshire Wildlife Trust.

I even made the joke at the time that the Rugby Club and Stafford Borough Council had misread "strong" as 'scant'.

If you remember rightly, you'll remember that the application that your current scar is built on required a second application - some sort of assurance about 'light spill' might have been included, those sorts of things - of which Natural England said that planners should "regard" the input of Staffordshire Wildlife Trust.

I contacted Natural England at the time to try and make them reinstate the exact phrase - "strong regard" - in relation to their advice to the Borough Council and have not heard from them since.

Yes, disaster.
 
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