2019 General Election

Mikinton

Well-Known Forumite
enerally speaking your average voter is a crumbling wreck of nerves and worry

Johnson , to the masses, appears a strong character. So that's why he's won
Strong character? The guy who hides in a fridge and avoids one-to-one interviews with Andrew Neil? Yes, I guess that must be it.

As they say, everything is relative.

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Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
Oi, @Tilly, just leave it!

People are Tories, get over it.


And enjoy the fun - like the conversation I had yesterday afternoon with someone whose mother has been hospitalised twice in the last ten days - "This time, we're keeping you in, to make you properly better" - two hours passes - "You'll have to go home, we need the bed".

I would put good money on their votes....
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
And nothing whatsoever to do with Corbyn and his Momentum cult being an absolute shower of shit. No doubt when Corbyn eventually goes they'll manage to move even further to the left because clearly that's what people want :roll:

Five years of Boris. hoobloodyray and all thanks to Corbyn.

Actually all thanks to people that voted conservative, if I had decided I couldn't vote Labour I'd have voted green.
 

Mikinton

Well-Known Forumite
#BackBurgon - Got to be worth a fiver just for the LOLs.

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ETA
Mark Wallace@wallaceme

Cannot wait to see which Corbyn loyalist is wheeled out to say with a straight face "As we learned in 2016, allowing new members to vote in a leadership ballot runs a serious risk of organised entryism to hijack that ballot. Such a malign threat must be prevented."
 
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Withnail

Well-Known Forumite
It's nice that you have joined in with the gloating @Mikinton , the 'silent majority' has emerged from the ether to shout from the sidelines only after the game has ended, what?

It's almost like at all other times your fellow travellers are too cowardly to put their ids up for scrutiny, because they instinctively feel unclean.

They should trust their instincts.
 

PeterD

ST16 Represent.
It's rather telling if you are ashamed of who you voted for, then there is a problem with who you voted for.
 

basil

don't mention the blinds
How nice of the shadow chancellor's grandad to let him be interviewed by Mr Marr in his sitting room.

He needs to get his clock fixed though......
 

Mikinton

Well-Known Forumite
It's nice that you have joined in with the gloating @Mikinton , the 'silent majority' has emerged from the ether to shout from the sidelines only after the game has ended, what?

It's almost like at all other times your fellow travellers are too cowardly to put their ids up for scrutiny, because they instinctively feel unclean.

They should trust their instincts.
Please allow us "shy Tories" a few days at least of smugness and gloating. It makes up to some extent of all the shit we've have to put up with over the years; threads like "Cameron is a wanker" and "Cameron is still a wanker" (yeah, I know - prime ministers are always unpopular). And there's the insults directed to anyone who voted Tory or Leave; we've seen a few over the last few weeks even on this forum, let alone Twitter. It doesn't encourage anyone to put their dissenting head above the parapet. As the joke goes "I didn't come here to be insulted!" ... "Why? Where d'you normally go?"

I voted Remain, by the way, but since June 2016 have been firmly in the let's "get Brexit done" camp. So in effect I've felt personally all the arrogance of the Remoaners who can't understand why anyone should vote Leave. On reflection, one shouldn't really expect them to. People have different values and what's important to some people (prosperity, the economy) may not be important to others (immigration, taking back control). So when Remoaners bang on about how the economy's going to tank under Brexit, Leavers don't hear it (at their peril) - in the same way that Remoaners don't hear concerns on immigration I suspect.

And so it is with GE2019. Labour didn't hear its 2015's voters wish to "get Brexit done" and lost a significant proportion of them. And, wishing to come up with something different from the Tories and the LibDems, they came up with the over-nuanced policy of Corbyn's "honest broker" approach ..... i.e. not getting Brexit done one way or the other for another 12 months. So Labour's manifesto gained absolutely no traction at all. On the doorstep, it was either Brexit or Corbyn's unpopularity, with the Labour manifesto a poor third (despite all those giveaways to "the many" LOL).

Labour has a problem. It's either more of the same under god-knows-who and another election defeat in five years time (what was it Einstein said?) .... or an abandonment of Corbynism and a move to the centre and a return to the days when they won three elections. Or maybe something in between. Anyway, I leave you with my favourite political speech. "I tell you, and you will listen ..... "

 
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Jonah

Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
Cameron is the architect of all this. He is the one who caved to the ERG by agreeing to a referendum purely to get their support. He then disappears into the ether just so he doesn’t have to face the consequences of dealing with leaving. So yes he is a wanker.
 

Mikinton

Well-Known Forumite
Cameron is the architect of all this. He is the one who caved to the ERG by agreeing to a referendum purely to get their support. He then disappears into the ether just so he doesn’t have to face the consequences of dealing with leaving. So yes he is a wanker.
He probably expected a bit of support from whoever was leading the Labour party at the time. Like everyone else, he didn't expect the disaster that was Corbyn.

Personally, (and putting my old project manager hat on) I don't think it unreasonable to ask the question after 40 years in the EU (and after much change) "Well, how's it going? Do we still want to stay?". The fault was in the execution rather than in the asking of the question - a bit like May's 2017 General Election, in fact.
 
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Jonah

Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
Before the referendum I doubt very much that leaving the EU was on the mind of 99% of the general public.

I still haven’t been given a decent reason from anyone who voted leave why they actually did vote that way.

I know a some people may say “immigration” but as most of the immigration in this country comes from non-EU countries, that is something that we could control whether we are in the EU or not.
 

Mikinton

Well-Known Forumite
UKIP was the "winning" UK party in the 2014 EU Elections having attracted over a quarter of the votes and secured almost a third of the UK seats. So dissatisfaction with the EU wouldn't have come as a complete surprise, though I accept it would have been for changes to the relationship rather than for actually leaving the EU. But the EU weren't up for it so Cameron was snookered (/had snookered himself) into a referendum he never thought he'd have. (He assumed he'd still be in coalition with the LibDems so wouldn't have to deliver on his promise in the 2015 Tory manifesto. But all those LibDem voters, annoyed at Clegg crossing a Student Fees red line, put paid to that when they deserted their party.)
 
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