Coronavirus.

EasMid

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The current Rt is approximately 1.2 and the R0 is approximately 3. Yes, these are cases we can definitely do without but it's incredibly unlikely a selfish individual will infect hundreds.
Especially when as soon as their infection is picked up they are forced into effective house arrest by reasonable force if necessary. Preventing any further mixing with the population until their infectivity period has passed.
You're assuming that the selfish idiots will bother to get a test in the first place, most will just carry on infecting as many as they can uhtil it causes them enough inconvenience to get tested, hopefully before they're rushed to intensive care. While they're walking round with mild symptoms it'll only be the flu so it doesn't matter how many people hey give he flu to.
 

Withnail

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I don't wish to 'pile in' overmuch, and i'm not going to /quote at all, but we find ourselves in a strange place.

What should have remained a Public Health emergency has become an ideological battleground.

Increased testing has led to the discovery of higher numbers, but increased hospitalisations indicates something more important.

There is an interesting way of looking at the concept of 'fines' as punishment - one that Finland has learned - that means some activities just have a de facto VAT for those that can afford it. Parking, for example - if Bezos can't find a space for £3.50, would a £75 fixed penalty notice make any real difference?

And that's even if we genuinely believed the rules would be enforced all the way to the law courts - certainly 75% of people are not shaking in their boots.

It's all too easy to say we can isolate only those that need it, just as it has always been easy to say things that we wish to be true - Take Back Control, Get Brexit Done, those sorts of lunacies - are easy, but they are not.

Just because we live in a news cycle that shortens our attention span, it shouldn't distract us from the fact that this is a novel virus - we have lived with it for less than a year, and for all the focus on mortality, morbidity may ultimately be the bigger story. Especially if we end up with a US-style insurance based healthcare system, as advocated in Nigel's Garage, in our Brave New Brexit.

And remember kids, even though Sunetra Gupta can make her theories about cross-immunity fly, you can't.

Not unless you take a lot of dexamethasone.
 

Withnail

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The isolate the weak argument always falls flat, because those who care for them aren't isolated. And nor are their friends.
Amongst other things, like -

are we to evacuate them to a secure location?

21st century prison ships?

how many of them are there?

are they to be 'isolated' against their will?

are there sanctions if they obstruct their own detention?

It's been like this for years, too many people just lazily thinking things are easy when they are clearly not. In all fairness, people have generally been led down this path, but it's not a good enough excuse any more.

Get good at seeing through their crap or get used to living on the tip.
 

Carole

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Thehooperman

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Overheard conversation between a middle aged couple.

She "Don't forget to put your mask on"

He "It's ok I don't need to in here"

She "You DO it's mandatory"

He "No it's ok they don't enforce it in here"

He did as he was told and walked out wearing a mask as he should do :)

What hope have we got with idiots with this sort of mentality?
 

staffordjas

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Overheard conversation between a middle aged couple.

She "Don't forget to put your mask on"

He "It's ok I don't need to in here"

She "You DO it's mandatory"

He "No it's ok they don't enforce it in here"

He did as he was told and walked out wearing a mask as he should do :)

What hope have we got with idiots with this sort of mentality?
There was a big group of what looked liked two families in Home Bargains last week , laughing and joking by the tills as they loaded their shopping. Not one of them had a mask on . Not much room for everyone else trying to get past them to exit the store.. These are the sort of morons who are keeping this bloody Covid spiralling out of control. :mad:
 

Withnail

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It will end in Tiers.

And we are now freestyling.

Let the record show that, in the end, we didn't care enough.
 

Trumpet

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Quote from an inside source:

"Welsh Gov are “actively considering” a short-term full (national) lockdown for two or three weeks. Decision will be made over the weekend and announced Monday. A “circuit-breaker”, I believe is the trendy term!"
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
Quote from an inside source:

"Welsh Gov are “actively considering” a short-term full (national) lockdown for two or three weeks. Decision will be made over the weekend and announced Monday. A “circuit-breaker”, I believe is the trendy term!"
It would make sense for the English government to do the same, so obviously they won't because they are cretins.
 

Cue

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Just heard Lancashire moved into tier 3....but done a deal so that gyms and leisure centres can remain open :hmm:

Best keep the schools open though, can’t have kiddie winks at home, despite it being the sector with the highest R value by far.

There’s a school somewhere in the UK with no students in at all - they’ve all gone home because one by one the bubbles popped and they had to isolate
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
It's a shame that there can't be a lockdown where only the twats who can't behave have to stay at home, so that the normal and those who might need to stay clear of twats can go about their normal business.

But no, we pander to the twats of this world and the rest of us have to suffer.

Like everything in the modern world, the sensible are made to suffer whilst the nobbers get away with murder.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Quote from an inside source:

"Welsh Gov are “actively considering” a short-term full (national) lockdown for two or three weeks. Decision will be made over the weekend and announced Monday. A “circuit-breaker”, I believe is the trendy term!"

Just asked about using my caravan this weekend, as it's in Wales. Told similar, this weekend will be OK but expect not to be able to after Monday.
 

EasMid

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From 6pm today according to BBC so you’re too late.
Think that was only tier3 areas so maybe it’s not too late.
 
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