Coronavirus.

Mudgie

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When we last went into The Sun for a meal, it was certainly well ventilated where we were sitting! Rather than stopping on for a few more drinks as planned, we had to leave soon after we finished the meal as we had an icy blast aimed at our table which was closest to the back doors. (No more tables to change to as just had that one table remaining when we rang to book) . As we settled the bill the staff said that they had to leave the doors open due to current regulations, and were wondering what impact it was going to have on trade if they still had to keep them open during the colder winter months.
I'm most surprised at "an icy blast" before we've had any frosts and I'm not aware of any "current regulations" necessitating staff having "to leave the doors open"
 

tek-monkey

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You just have to argue about everything, don't you.
Especially if anyone says anything bad about a pub.

I know it's dropped lately as I've begrudgingly turned the heating up, apparently 17c isn't enough when working from home and the look I got when I started to explore the possibility of more jumpers was colder than any draught in the pub!
 

Zylo

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Well to be fair cold hits people in different ways, I mean I rarely get cold but in the summer..... i wake up sweating buckets, hence winter is my fav period!!

I'm not sure why as my mum is the opposite (and bigger) than me, so it's not about size.

Even at work I was still outside on my break smoking (dirty habbit I know i've mainly kicked now) helps not working where i did anymore... but beast from the east was going on then!

Never have any heating on in my room, at all.
 
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Lucy

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Cases were never suppressed enough for that to be okay. And that 10% perpetuates too doesn't it, because if you have got it from there, but give it to someone in a work setting, even though it'll be marked as work it is in fact from the restaurant (and going back a step from wherever the person who gave it to you there got it from).
 

Trumpet

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None of the T's have been into a pub or restaurant for several months. Had an outside pint at The Ecclian a couple of weeks ago whilst waiting for a takeaway from London House.
On our recent Cornwall break we had a drink one day outside a pub in Padstow which had several free outside tables which allowed decent distancing.
Not really missing it that much which has surprised us greatly.
 

Mudgie

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You just have to argue had to leave the doors open due to, don't you.
If you choose to consider comments offering opinions contrary to your own in a discussion as "to argue" then maybe I do but, having only commented on a tiny proportion of topics, I certainly don't do so "about everything".
Answering my comments about "an icy blast" and "current regulations" would have made a nice change from your usual negativity.
 
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Mudgie

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Incidentally they're blaming more than 10% of covid cases on the eat out to help out scheme.
I've not seen statistics suggesting that more than 10% of covid cases can be blamed on the eat out to help out scheme.
However weekly figures from Public Health England show that pubs and restaurants caused less than three per cent of coronavirus infections in the week before the 10pm curfew while schools and care homes were responsible for more than two thirds of all positive tests.
Deaths were about ten a day during July and August after pubs reopened and have soared to about fifty a day since schools reopened in September.
 

Mudgie

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If you choose to consider comments offering opinions contrary to your own in a discussion as "to argue" then maybe I do but, having only commented on a tiny proportion of topics, I certainly don't do so "about everything".
Answering my comments about "an icy blast" and "current regulations" would have made a nice change from your usual negativity.
 

The Hawk

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Look at the infographic in the link I posted. Even if you were staying socially distant the vapours will disperse throughout the building unless it's very well ventilated.

None of the T's have been into a pub or restaurant for several months. Had an outside pint at The Ecclian a couple of weeks ago whilst waiting for a takeaway from London House.
On our recent Cornwall break we had a drink one day outside a pub in Padstow which had several free outside tables which allowed decent distancing.
Not really missing it that much which has surprised us greatly.

Indoor environments are a nightmare with this virus and few, if any, will have the sort of ventilation systems than can significantly reduce the risk.

This risk has been very well highlighted in some of the indieSAGE briefings. Having listened to the experts, I made the decision, early on, to avoid anywhere indoors (outside my own home) unless aboslutely necessary. Since March I've been into an indoor environement (away from home) three times, all of them necessary and all of them very brief visits (and all of them wearing a mask and eye protection).
 

littleme

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Indoor environments are a nightmare with this virus and few, if any, will have the sort of ventilation systems than can significantly reduce the risk.

My place of work is fully air conditioned, doors can not be left open because of security issues, there are no windows.

Even before Corona, we (the staff) are regularly ill with sore throats, voice loss etc which we 'think' is down to the air conditioning. (One colleague lost her voice for 6 months last year).


... I'll leave the rest to everyone's imagination....
 

littleme

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Thanks for updating me on the daily deaths.
Surely 150 a day only goes to prove what a mistake reopening schools was.
No. Pubs and restaurants too, can you really really not see that? Just how far do you have your head buried in the sand.....?
 

Mudgie

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My place of work is fully air conditioned, doors can not be left open because of security issues, there are no windows.

Even before Corona, we (the staff) are regularly ill with sore throats, voice loss etc which we 'think' is down to the air conditioning. (One colleague lost her voice for 6 months last year).


... I'll leave the rest to everyone's imagination....
Yes, air conditioning has a lot to answer for.
The simplest form of air conditioning is a slender white box mounted on walls or ceilings, known as a split air conditioner, that draws in air from a room, chills it and then blows it back out again. This is no problem for a quick visit but there may be a risk over a period of hours as a study of a restaurant in China blamed this type of air conditioner for spreading coronavirus.
Many modern buildings where the windows are sealed have to rely on a ventilation system in which stale air is extracted from the rooms and piped to an air handling unit, often on the roof. There, fresh air can be pulled in from outside and mixed with the old inside air before being sent back into the building but often, in the interests of economy, not enough fresh air is introduced and this greatly increases the risk of coronavirus infection.
I am fortunate in that I can avoid air conditioned buildings and I don't think I've been in one since March.
 

Mudgie

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No. Pubs and restaurants too, can you really really not see that? Just how far do you have your head buried in the sand.....?
Rather than having my "head buried in the sand" I have taken note of weekly figures from Public Health England showing that pubs and restaurants caused less than three per cent of coronavirus infections in the week before the 10pm curfew while schools and care homes were responsible for more than two thirds of all positive tests.
 
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