Lammascote / Esso / Weston Road Lights...

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#chaplife
gk141054 said:
Question: Would making busses free to everyone solve the traffic problems around the town centre?
no, although it might help.. i would honestly not use a bus if i was paid to do so, i enjoy driving too much.. i would imagine the majority of motorists feel like this.. a car all to yourself, air conditioned, stereo on, connected to your phone via bluetooth, etc.. can't see many people swapping that for sitting on a cramped bus with the proles..
 

henryscat

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dirtybobby said:
telling people to "get out of their cars" is not a solution.. would it fix the problem? yes...
If you acknowledge it would fix the problem, then it is a solution isn't it...?

if you honestly think that a better road system does not equal less congestion then there is simply no point trying to even discuss it with you..
It doesn't come down to what I think, it comes down to what is proven the world over. That putting in more road capacity - whether that's wider roads or clever traffic management - leads to more traffic. One third of the land area of Los Angeles is roads or car park, and its still hideously congested. Its been proven time and again in the UK that as new road capacity is added, more traffic comes along and fills it in. It isn't anything new either - its in research going back 50 years+. An example locally is the M6 - M6 Toll is built, it carries 40,000ish vehicles a day, the M6 through the West Mids is now back to pre-M6T levels of traffic...

there are more people in the world, and more cars.. we have the technology to build more roads.. we will use it.. will there come a point where we can't build any more roads? yes, but we're not there yet..
Only a very small minority of the world's population have a car, and yet the mayhem caused by traffic is significant. It isn't technology that's the issue. Aside from the fact that in most urban areas there is not the space for any more roads, it isn't desirable either - economically, socially or environmentally. With public spending about to be slashed, neither will more road space be affordable.

you can't build your way out of a congestion crisis, but you can optimise the road systems you have to alleviate the pressure as much as possible..
Most of the optimising has already been done and any capacity it creates is filled up...

a car all to yourself, air conditioned, stereo on, connected to your phone via bluetooth, etc.. can't see many people swapping that for sitting on a cramped bus with the proles..
Don't start me on bluetooth phones. Any phones in cars handsfree or not is down right dangerous.

Actually people will swap their car - where public transport has been invested in seriously it does bring about a shift from the car. In London where there's a lot more investment in buses, the types of passengers using the bus is much different to outside London. In places like Cambridge, York and Oxford where parking is restricted or very expensive the numbers of people using the bus or cycling is much higher.

Ultimately the level of car use there is generally is unsustainable and things have got to change. I'm not anti-car either, as otherwise I wouldn't have one, but at the same time I ain't going to stick my head in the sand about the problems they cause!
 

henryscat

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gk141054 said:
Question: Would making busses free to everyone solve the traffic problems around the town centre?
Not by itself - would need something else like a reduction in the number of car parking spaces or an increase in parking charges. It would also be v expensive to pay all those bus fares from the public purse!!
 

shoes

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I think you'll find the £8 a day cost of driving in london has a lot more to do with public transport use than the actualy public transport itself...
 

henryscat

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shoes said:
I think you'll find the £8 a day cost of driving in london has a lot more to do with public transport use than the actualy public transport itself...
It certainly a lot to do with it, yep. The congestion charge has paid for a lot of extra bus services and there are more bus passengers. Its also true to say that London could not physically function without a high proportion of journeys being made on public transport or cycling.
 

shoes

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I will agree with you wholeheartedly about the transport in central london, it really is exemplery. On the few occasions I have had to travel around london (usually when visiting a previous partner in essex) I have found it very easy to get into the centre of london and then to travel about. Its cheap, fast, easy and generally a good experience. Ok if you have to travel on the tube at peak times it can suck being squashed into a carriage but you're never on there for more than 20 - 25 minutes at a time anyway. Most tube journeys are < 10 minutes.

Busses are alright too in london although i despise busses and generally would rather walk (and tend to) but again the services are smooth running and value for money.
 

The Stafford Beast

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I hate driving. I avoid driving in Stafford at all costs due to the narrow roads and other drivers overbearing in your personal space. I feel much freer and happier on my bike, however car drivers still continue to treat me like I'm invisible.

Buses in Stafford don't really have any use, for me. The #1 bus goes past my house, however I have never had the need to use it. The two main interesting destinations it goes to are either a) town or b) Baswich. a) I can get to town quicker by walking and b) I don't know anyone in Baswich. Apart from the kids and a handful of old people I mostly see this bus empty. The #8 is only slightly more useful if you live in Parkside or Redhill and wish to go to town. Why does the #9 bus go from Highfields to the Technology Park and the Uni? Random! At least they all end up in town at some point.

Anyway, it seems these lights are functional now, however last time I passed them there were some 'works' going on with the computer that controls them. Maybe they are replacing the electronics.
 
When i came to these lights in my taxi some numpty in a focus had ran into the side of another car, very very minor damage, think they just touched, no real impact
 

My Name is URL

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Went round there last night coming past the leisure centre down to the roundabout... we were on green so cruised straight through but coming around the roundabout to that junction from the other side... cars were queuing quite a way back..... early teething troubles or a sign of things to come?!?!
 

db

#chaplife
The Stafford Beast said:
Why does the #9 bus go from Highfields to the Technology Park and the Uni? Random!
either i'm getting old, or everyone else is getting forgetful lol.. surely it wasn't that long ago that the university halls of residence were at brook and binyon court on highfields? anyway, i presume that's why the no. 9 is on the route that it is - all the uni students used to live in high rise flats out that way..

gk141054 said:
Went round there last night coming past the leisure centre down to the roundabout... we were on green so cruised straight through but coming around the roundabout to that junction from the other side... cars were queuing quite a way back..... early teething troubles or a sign of things to come?!?!
yeah, i've noticed similar build-ups, and general confusion.. i really can't understand the justification for putting these lights up :?:
 

mickyboy

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Just seen an article on the midlands news about eco driving and getting the best mpg out of your car. One of the tips was to stop as little as possible

They def didnt do the tests in stafford, the trafficlight town (maybe the council are trying to get us in the record books for the most ligths on a traffic island)
 

shazbo

SHAZ MC
biggest cock up and waste of money those lights and traffic wont get any better good crash on moterway and thats it . bet it was a mans idea
 

wmrcomputers

Stafford PC & laptop repair specialist
mickyboy said:
maybe the council are trying to get us in the record books for the most ligths on a traffic island
As far as I was aware we are indeed already one of the highest record holders for the number of traffic lights per square mile in the country - unless that's a daft rumour that started several years ago?

Either way I agree with you mickyboy... how the hell can we be green concious in a town where we're contantly made to sit with engines running for no purpose because we've been stopped by (possibly) unnecessary lights which are consuming even more electricity!

I always thought that the design of road islands was originally intended to keep traffic moving in all directions as much as possible? With this many lights it might aswell be a junction like lammascote (a place where there's space for a much needed island yet they've never built one)

Ye canny win!
 

Toble

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wmrcomputers said:
I always thought that the design of road islands was originally intended to keep traffic moving in all directions as much as possible?
Maybe it was once upon a bit. Now they design them to restrict traffic flow and punish people who need to drive, probably on the grounds of some half proven crackpot theory.
 

Sofa

I'm a Staffooooooordian
Is this a case of a County Council department having too much cash spare and needing to dream up daft ways of spending it?
 

My Name is URL

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Quite possibly... it peeves me off royally when people complain about youngsters roaming the streets at night, but then the council double the cost of hiring council owned (and dog shit covered) football pitches over the summer... one of the few things that gets young people off the streets. Half of the kids then can't afford the costs and so hang about outside Spar causing trouble...

Its a bloody piece of grass and some metal sticks in each end for christ sake. How can the cost double?

Such forward thinking there... why do councils / councillors not have any common sense whatsoever?
 
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