Anti-Semitism

[Sir BoD]

Have you ever experienced or witnessed any cases of anti-semitism in your 'real life'?

I have witnessed / experienced sexism and racism and downright prejudism from idiots over the years. However, I've lived in various places around the country but have never come across anything remotely linked to anti-semetism.

I just thought I'd throw it out there considering the shit-storm that's happening in the media at present.

 

[Gramaisc]

I can remember odd, low-level events decades ago, certainly much less than many other groups experienced.

Now, it seems to be used as a sort of trump card to blacken any lack of support for Israeli actions.

It's all a bit odd, really, as Arabs are also Semites.

 

[tek-monkey]

Personally, and I know they got a get out of jail free card after ww2, but I think Israel are in the wrong. If opposing Israel makes me an anti semite then I guess I am. Cos they're utter twats, and if I lived in Palestine I'd be fighting them too.

 

[Mikinton]

Personally, and I know they got a get out of jail free card after ww2, but I think Israel are in the wrong. If opposing Israel makes me an anti semite then I guess I am. Cos they're utter twats, and if I lived in Palestine I'd be fighting them too.

I agree with you, but I'm not sure what we're feeling can be classed as antisemitism. And it's probably this uncertainty that's part of the problem. Whilst I might abhor what's been happening to the Palestinians since the Israelis moved in, I don't think this feeling would spill over to a situation, say, if a Jew came to me for a job.

Returning to the original question, I can't say I've ever experienced or witnessed any cases of antisemitism in my 'real life'. There was a Jewish guy who joined the office where I worked in London around the time that I did, who was widely regarded as a twat, but that's because he was a twat rather than because he was Jewish. His surname was Sugarman, and he told the office that people whose surname ended in 'man' were most probably Jewish, to which someone piped up "Does that mean that Superman was Jewish, then?".

 

[basil]

Personally, and I know they got a get out of jail free card after ww2, but I think Israel are in the wrong. If opposing Israel makes me an anti semite then I guess I am. Cos they're utter twats, and if I lived in Palestine I'd be fighting them too.

Anti-Zionist ?....

 

[That-Crazy-Rat-Lady]

As a teacher the only time I have heard any anti-semitic comments was when a student called another a 'Yid'

Turned out he had to idea what it meant - but he had head Everton fans shouting it during a match...

 

[Withnail]

I was taken aback a bit by this post some moments ago, but otherwise it's not something that has loomed large thus far.

I think that Israeli representatives have done a good job in enmeshing anti-Israeli sentiments with anti-Semitiic ones in the hive-mind of political discourse, for sure. But we have to be clear here that part of the reason for the prominence of this story is that a Labour Councillor posted some sort of Holocaust denial shiz, for what he then claimed in retrospect was to 'spark' some kind of debate.

Now i would argue that anti-Zionism is not equal to anti-Semitism, because it isn't - unless, of course, you can convince me otherwise - but it would be a mistake to think that they are not cut from the same cloth.

Holocaust denial can't be part of any debate that could possibly describe itself as 'healthy'. Any such debate is ipso facto diseased because of it.

The 'Left' in this country has, rightly or wrongly, aligned itself to the Palestinian cause. There is much merit in this, obviously - a great wrong has been perpetrated against the Palestinian peoples that is recognised by the League of Nations UN - but it has fostered an unhealthy mistrust that can't be resolved by extreme positioning.

I have a lot of sympathy for Israel as a Nation State, which is something that can't be said for most of its neighbouring States - if you lived in a street surrounded by neighbours who refused to acknowledge your right to even exist, you would probably think you were entitled to feel a bit paranoid.

The entire debate has been poisoned, and it is unlikely to ever be anything but.

 

[Gramaisc]

If you attend a Jewish event, make sure that it is the right one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43624231

 

[tek-monkey]

Last week he was a bastard for not liking the Jews, this week he's a bastard for liking the wrong Jews. Meanwhile the Tories give 100m of aid money in bribery to the Saudis (who are as rich as chuff) to get them to buy more weapons off us and that's all fine and dandy.

 

[Gramaisc]

Last week he was a bastard for not liking the Jews, this week he's a bastard for liking the wrong Jews.

There are some tweets from anti-semitism crusaders calling these (wrong?) Jews things including - nutters, creatures, extremists and useful Jewish idiots.