IT Engineer Required

[Markerat]

They have twigged that you can get a 2.2 by turning up once a week and spelling your name correctly on the exam papers and as such only take on experienced people.

I wish on both counts

 

[Gramaisc]

Degrees are the new O-levels..

If you can organise a situation in which you can work for yourself, then that will almost always turn out to be preferable, eventually...

 

[John Marwood]

Degrees are the new O-levels..

If you can organise a situation in which you can work for yourself, then that will almost always turn out to be preferable, eventually...

The first line is as amusing as it is correct

The second line I would have agreed with up until this year - unless you run your own company or companies then you never really realise just how much time you have to put into it/them ( in general ) but the rewards - of not being told what to do - usually balances that out

I fear a cold wind of change for most businesses over the next decade, by that I mean either producing more for the same, or the same for less, whilst all the while costs increase. If you want long term employment learn tractor maintenance and Mandarin and move east - a little further than Norwich

I keep abreast of world and UK financial matters and usually base my 'moods' on forcasts two to three years ahead of tomorrow. . .

Things I would NOT advise doing over the next three years:

1 Buying a house

2 Buying a commercial property

3 Buying land other than farmland at the going rate and no more

4 Buying dollars or Euro

5 Buying Gold



Getting the work is one thing - getting the buggers to pay is another

 

[Gramaisc]

learn tractor maintenance and Mandarin and move east

Celtic (paper) tiger?..

 

[Withnail]

The superior man, when resting in safety, does not forget that danger may come. When in a state of security he does not forget the possibility of ruin. When all is orderly, he does not forget that disorder may come. Thus his person is not endangered, and his States and all their clans are preserved.
Confucius

"So, against a background of mounting uncertainty and instability in the global economy, we set about establishing a new economic framework to secure long-term economic stability and put an end to the damaging cycle of boom and bust".
Gordon Brown

 

[Markerat]

Degrees are the new O-levels.

Depends on the subject matter and governing body. Anything on Oxford or Cambridge as the governing body has guidlines.

I started a bachelor degree in Mechanincal Engineering (hons) and with all the knowledge and experiance i have year one was actually quite relaxing. Most things were like second nature given 21 years in the industry.

Year two 3 weeks in..........Sh*t just got real...

 

[db]

They have twigged that you can get a 2.2 by turning up once a week and spelling your name correctly on the exam papers

this is true, in my experience.. i did a degree, spent most of the time dicking about so failed the first year & had to repeat it, then didn't even submit a Final Year Project at the end of it all, and i still managed to blag a 2:2 lol.. as with most things in this life, the ability to blag is as much a benefit as genuine talent

i don't agree that "no degree = GTFO".. as i say, i have got a degree, but it's in music not in IT so is basically irrelevant, yet i have applied for and got 3 IT jobs in the last 5 years..

 

[db]

I phoned up Mark and talked to him about the job. The job itself sounds excellent with plenty to keep you interested. I don't think i can apply for it though. I'm married with 2 kids and the money offered won't pay the bills.

is it not worth applying for the job anyway, even if it's just to keep yourself in the loop and brush up on your CV and interview skills? a few years ago i was out of work for 2 months, and even that left me feeling a bit rusty! the longer you leave it, the harder it will get :/

is it really that low paid? as we all know, it's easier to get a job when you're already in a job, so would it not be worth taking this job to keep you going and to "oil the cogs" while you look for something more appropriate? you never know, it might open up opportunities you never thought of

 

[tek-monkey]

I once took a job to get me by, was there 2 years!

 

[shoes]

I have no degree, a handful of shite A levels and some GCSEs which aren't worth the paper they're written on.

Like tek, however, I have managed to get by on who I know and also a bit of blagging and it's not worked out all too badly.

One can't help feeling too that a certain element of luck is involved with moving your career up a notch too.

For the record, I'm still planning on doing a degree, hopefully paid for by someone else. Time to get the blagging hat on

 

[zakkwylde87]

It is indeed not what you know, but who you know. i have a few similar circumstances to DB it seems...

 

[Gramaisc]

(hons)

Do ordinary degrees still exist at all these days?

 

[Markerat]

I phoned up Mark and talked to him about the job. The job itself sounds excellent with plenty to keep you interested. I don't think i can apply for it though. I'm married with 2 kids and the money offered won't pay the bills.

is it not worth applying for the job anyway, even if it's just to keep yourself in the loop and brush up on your CV and interview skills? a few years ago i was out of work for 2 months, and even that left me feeling a bit rusty! the longer you leave it, the harder it will get :/

is it really that low paid? as we all know, it's easier to get a job when you're already in a job, so would it not be worth taking this job to keep you going and to "oil the cogs" while you look for something more appropriate? you never know, it might open up opportunities you never thought of

I don't want to quote the exact figure quoted to me by Mark as i consider it to be unprofessional and uncourteous to do so. Suffice to say that the last time i earnt that much a year i was 18 years old (third year apprentice in 1992).

 

[Markerat]

(hons)

Do ordinary degrees still exist at all these days?

Honours degree means you did it full time not part time. If you study part time it is an ordinary degree.

Also if you fail a module and require a complete resit the honours part is removed even if your studying full time.

 

[Markerat]

They have twigged that you can get a 2.2 by turning up once a week and spelling your name correctly on the exam papers

this is true, in my experience.. i did a degree, spent most of the time dicking about so failed the first year & had to repeat it, then didn't even submit a Final Year Project at the end of it all, and i still managed to blag a 2:2 lol.. as with most things in this life, the ability to blag is as much a benefit as genuine talent

i don't agree that "no degree = GTFO".. as i say, i have got a degree, but it's in music not in IT so is basically irrelevant, yet i have applied for and got 3 IT jobs in the last 5 years..

A degree shows a level of learning to employers. Often a degree in something can open up doors that would otherwise be shut IMHO.

 

[Markerat]

I have no degree, a handful of shite A levels and some GCSEs which aren't worth the paper they're written on.

Like tek, however, I have managed to get by on who I know and also a bit of blagging and it's not worked out all too badly.

One can't help feeling too that a certain element of luck is involved with moving your career up a notch too.

For the record, I'm still planning on doing a degree, hopefully paid for by someone else. Time to get the blagging hat on

Your young intelligent and have good schooling and deportment. Your potential is yet untapped to its fullest extent. The clever chap who managed to see past your current state and looked to the longer term development prospects was a clever man indeed.
I'm not blowing smoke up your arse Shoes and i know that you do have at least one character defect. When dealing with less worthy members of society or people in your opinion underachievers you are quite vociferous. I still think your great though man. <3

 

[tek-monkey]

We don't call him ToryBoy for nothing!

 

[Gramaisc]

 

[shoes]

I have no degree, a handful of shite A levels and some GCSEs which aren't worth the paper they're written on.

Like tek, however, I have managed to get by on who I know and also a bit of blagging and it's not worked out all too badly.

One can't help feeling too that a certain element of luck is involved with moving your career up a notch too.

For the record, I'm still planning on doing a degree, hopefully paid for by someone else. Time to get the blagging hat on

Your young intelligent and have good schooling and deportment. Your potential is yet untapped to its fullest extent. The clever chap who managed to see past your current state and looked to the longer term development prospects was a clever man indeed.
I'm not blowing smoke up your arse Shoes and i know that you do have at least one character defect. When dealing with less worthy members of society or people in your opinion underachievers you are quite vociferous. I still think your great though man. <3

Ah i couldn't disagree with you there but I have all the time in the world for those who are willing/prepared to help themselves. It's those who can't be bothered but expect everyone else to pick up the slack that irritates me.

It also irritates me when people who clearly have much potential are either blind to it, or worse, couldn't care less.

Lack of common sense, self responsibility and aspiration also irritates me.

That is all.

Less than three you too

 

[tek-monkey]

It also irritates me when people who clearly have much potential are either blind to it, or worse, couldn't care less.

Being blind to it is not a crime, they just need showing the way.

Lack of common sense, self responsibility and aspiration also irritates me.

Again, of those only lack of self responsibility bugs me. Lack of common sense is in fact common! As for lack of aspiration, if someone really doesn't care that they earn feck all then why should I? If they are happy, they are already ahead of many people with aspiration.

But yeah, lack of self responsibility realy grates on me. Its always someone elses fault.