Leave or Remain?

[Withnail]

Right, its time everyone stopped moaning and this is why:

Remainers

• You lost the referendum, get over it, you lost.

Leavers

• You voted to leave and take back control.
• You have already exercised that control and voted for a bunch of remain MPs in the subsequent General Election. Strange, but that's what you voted for.
• The Government you elected has given a vote of confidence in its leader and, now, it has won a vote of confidence in Parliament tonight. It has, by proxy, now got your 'vote' to deliver the 'Brexit' you deserve.

Well that's all very lovely and everything, but i think you might have forgotten something.

This isn't a lover's tiff, it's a love triangle.

And a hate triangle.

And a triangular triangle.

Triage.

 

[Withnail]

Irish referendums are all binding, I imagine the Swiss ones are.

Are they all simple majority based? I thought Switzerland had super majority ruling on constitutional change?

 

[Gramaisc]

I have no idea what you consider to be a major constitutional change, would abolishing the upper chamber count?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-second_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_Bill_2013

The Irish constitution can only by varied by a popular referendum.

 

[Withnail]

I have no idea what you consider to be a major constitutional change...

... in a thread about whether the UK should leave the European Union, you're wondering what i might consider to be a major constitutional change?

Really?

...would abolishing the upper chamber count?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-second_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_Bill_2013

The Irish constitution can only by varied by a popular referendum.

Well, yes.

What's the deal with the Swiss? Are they as mental?

 

[Gramaisc]

... in a thread about whether the UK should leave the European Union, you're wondering what i might consider to be a major constitutional change?

Really?

Well, yes.

What's the deal with the Swiss? Are they as mental?

Google is there for you - the Swiss have a simple majority for 'popular' referendums and a simple majority plus a simple majority in a simple majority of the cantons for 'mandatory' referendums.

People seem to get on OK with their mental constitutions.

 

[Withnail]

Google is there for you ...

Couldn't help yourself though, what?

 

[joshua]

Corbyn really is useless isn't he, I've never seen an opposition leader get it so wrong on so many occasions.

 

[Perrier]

Corbyn really is useless isn't he, I've never seen an opposition leader get it so wrong on so many occasions.

I'm afraid so.
Although he was never put there to lead , more so to shift the party to the left .

I hate to say it but we are in for many years of Conservative rule ( if some of us are lucky enough to survive it ) .
The next election in 2022 must show a massive defeat for Corbyn to stand aside , however even then Labour must get back to central ground to even stand a chance of power.

So that being said , a minimum 9 years of further Tory asset stripping , core services dismantling and general hatred towards the sick and the poor to contend with yet.

 

[Gramaisc]

So that being said , a minimum 9 years of further Tory asset stripping , core services dismantling and general hatred towards the sick and the poor to contend with yet.

That is what the people want.

 

[BobClay]

And making the Labour Party a Mark 2 Tory Party is not the answer. Tony Blair showed that. So now most of our power industry, railway industry (of which we were pioneers) are subject to the whims of foreign corporations of which we have no control or even any say.

Welcome to a new budding Stone Age.

 

[Thehooperman]

Welcome to a new budding Stone Age.

Is that a new station on HS2?

 

[BobClay]

Only so the train can stock up on Joule's bitter for the driver.

 

[Gramaisc]

Only so the train can stock up on Joule's bitter for the driver.

Rolling stock has already arrived.

 

[BobClay]

I've often wondered if Joule's brewery in Stone had any roots with James Prescott Joule, a quite remarkable scientist of the 19th Century who was born into a successful brewing family up near Manchester. Often overlooked (the SI unit of energy, the Joule is named after him) he was a meticulous experimenter and theoretician who set down the rails for thermodynamics.
I'd have thought it's an unusual enough name not to have some connections.

 

[Gramaisc]

I've often wondered if Joule's brewery in Stone had any roots with James Prescott Joule, a quite remarkable scientist of the 19th Century who was born into a successful brewing family up near Manchester. Often overlooked (the SI unit of energy, the Joule is named after him) he was a meticulous experimenter and theoretician who set down the rails for thermodynamics.
I'd have thought it's an unusual enough name not to have some connections.

His dad, Ben, was a brewer...

 

[proactive]

His dad, Ben, was a brewer...

Any relation to Mike?

 

[proactive]

Corbyn really is useless isn't he, I've never seen an opposition leader get it so wrong on so many occasions.

“Jeremy Corbyn would walk blind folded through a burning orphanage to avoid spelling out what his Brexit position is.”

This about sums the situation up.

 

[BobClay]

Like not what knowing what the spelling is for Brexit is some kind of unknowable theory of physics, which it may well be, hence the total bloody shambles the whole exercise has become. At a cost of literally billions of pounds since the referendum, and I think that's just for starters, all of it piddled down the drain.

And this is just approaching the brink of the cliff …. think what the drop is going to be like !!! (Best not think about the stop at the bottom.)

 

[proactive]

At a cost of literally billions of pounds since the referendum, and I think that's just for starters, all of it piddled down the drain.

It's OK. It's not real money, it's taxpayers money.

 

[tek-monkey]

That billion for the DUP has never looked such a good investment!