New Birmingham to Manchester rail route

[John Marwood]

They've already spent around £250,000,000 and I don't think they've even got the spades yet.

I propose the banning of the words million and billion and trillion in written form

 

[henryscat]

There's always sign language.

 

[Gramaisc]

Public event in Yarnfield today - http://www.staffordshirenewsletter....uiz-HS2-staff-today-in-Yarnfield-24102013.htm .

 

[John Marwood]

from the E&S..




The proposed link between HS2 and Stafford railway station has been thrown into doubt by one of the county's MPs.

"Once the second phase is finished the majority of high speed trains will not use the link to Stafford with only an hourly service between the county town and London joining up with the HS2 line at Lichfield.
If the link is axed it means Stafford will lose its planned high speed service but will save 2.6 miles of Staffordshire countryside between Lichfield and Handsacre.
It comes after new HS2 boss Sir David Higgins has recommended the Government brings forward the building of the northern line to crew by six years to 2027.
Mr Fabricant said: “This might make a huge difference in Lichfield.
"It is possible that this might not be necessary if the line is now to be built straight to Crewe. I am seeking to clarify this with the Department for Transport and what other changes might be made to the HS2 route in the constituency. I am still backing an alternative route change which would take HS2 in and out of Birmingham using existing rail and road corridors and brownfield sites.
“I suspect that at this time, they won’t be able to give definitive answers. But meanwhile all this uncertainty regarding the route of HS2 is causing considerable distress to my constituents some of whose property has been badly blighted by the current route of HS2.”
HS2 Ltd said that there are no plans to axe the link to Stafford.
Ben Ruse, HS2 lead spokesperson said: “Sir David Higgins has stressed again the need for better connectivity in our transport system, especially in the North. Current plans show the Handsacre Junction is an essential link between the first stage of HS2 and the West Coast Mainline, allowing HS2 services to Stafford and other destinations north of Birmingham to run from 2026. The Higgins Report, HS2 PLUS, doesn’t include any recommendations on changes to the link.”
HS2 is set to cut a 45-mile swathe through Staffordshire countryside."

Most of us will be in our bath chairs by then

 

[Casino55]

We need hs2 because I need to get to london 20 minutes quicker while ruining countless amounts of people's life's ..let's just rape the countryside

 

[John Marwood]

I can cope with a stripe of a gulley running through the land but if the Tories as so fuckinkeenon privatising everthying why are tax payers paying for the HS2?

 

[Gramaisc]

why are tax payers paying for the HS2?

..because the numbers don't add up - and are untrue anyway..?

We need hs2 because I need to get to london 20 minutes quicker

If you live in Stafford, you won't be getting anywhere any quicker.

 

[John Marwood]

Crewe 1 Stoke lost, a lot

 

[kyoto49]

Those who are anti HS2 are modern day Luddites. Thank god your not in charge of developing anything for the future.

 

[Maryland]

Hmm, Crewe. Speaking as an adopted person of Stafford (not that I've asked it whether it minds adopting me), Crewe remains unknown territory after, er, quite a few years. I know it's up there, somewhere, possibly on the way to Cheshire, but what it looks like, or what I've missed by only having seen the inside of its station, couldn't say. Not proud of this, I might add. But I don't like what lies in a northwesterly direction, at least I don't think I do, being as it is all footballers, rich and flashy types with BMWs, big urban sprawls that either have a) odd accents or b) are Not Yorkshire, and their playground, North Wales, various horrible roads where the BMWs are driven as if by utter twats, and Blackpool. So Crewe may be an undiscovered delight.

Stoke, now, could probably do with the money that an HS2 station would bring. Although I note that it was going to be out of town. So maybe a nearby retail development to serve the commuters, and poor old Stoke and its satellites (no offence, I'm from the north) still stiff with pound shops and bookies and very little in the way of visible means of support.

However, seems like a good time to revive the popular comic song performed by Miss Marie Lloyd about a hundred years ago:

http://monologues.co.uk/musichall/Songs-O/Oh-Mister-Porter.htm

 

[Gramaisc]

Crewe remains unknown territory after, er, quite a few years.
I know it's up there, somewhere, possibly on the way to Cheshire
So Crewe may be an undiscovered delight.

You are missing very little.

Some people in Crewe will be offended that you think it's on the way to Cheshire...

Crewe is not undiscovered, or a delight.

 

[John Marwood]

Those who are anti HS2 are modern day Luddites. Thank god your not in charge of developing anything for the future.

Unfortunately, under duress, adults often regress to primitive thinking.

Adults are most prone to regressing to primitive thinking when they are having a hard time and feel overwhelmed by their own emotions.

A regression, in psychoanalytic parlance, is a backsliding from mature functioning and thinking to immature ways of functioning and thinking.

For that one moment, when the adult starts relying on the words "always" or "never," or for or against, and seeing the world in black and white terms, they are slipping back to the way they saw the world as a child.

John, Chapter 3

 

[andy w]

If HS2 was offering through trains to Europe from the North and the Midlands it might be a little bit worthwhile to build, but as it stands you'll have to get off at Euston and then walk/taxi the 600 yards to St Pancreas as you do now.

 

[Gramaisc]

If HS2 was offering through trains to Europe from the North and the Midlands it might be a little bit worthwhile to build, but as it stands you'll have to get off at Euston and then walk/taxi the 600 yards to St Pancreas as you do now.

Some of us can remember when we were told that Eurostars would be calling at Stafford station.

 

[Gramaisc]

Crewe remains unknown territory

It seems to be unknown territory to the artist here, also - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29768921 .

 

[tek-monkey]

It will get bankers to meetings outside of London moderately faster than they do now, I'm yet to spot a benefit to anyone outside the M25 other than rising house prices due to commuters moving further out of London and that's only a benefit if you already own.

 

[John Marwood]

I want an apartment in that high rise that has views of Liverpool, Manchester and Crewe

Have Crewe Alex moved grounds?

 

[Noah]

If HS2 was offering through trains to Europe from the North and the Midlands it might be a little bit worthwhile to build, but as it stands you'll have to get off at Euston and then walk/taxi the 600 yards to St Pancreas as you do now.

Ahh, St Pancreas, the patron saint of dyslexic rail travellers

 

[Gramaisc]

Ahh, St Pancreas, the patron saint of dyslexic rail travellers

Terminus for trains from the Islets of Langerhans.

 

[United57]

Italy has high speed trains I'm led to believe