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That vegan thread.

Discussion in 'Lifestyle, Health & Diet' started by 1JKz, May 8, 2017.

  1. Gramaisc

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    The boots i'm wearing right now are leather.
     
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    The answer is 'yes', in that it could be, whether it is or not is another matter.
     
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    Coulda woulda mutha? I don't know ask her!

    I don't know what Withnail means when he says 'more harmful', more harmful than what?

    ...and can we wait for Withnail to respond, to say someone replying on someone else's behalf is irritating, is an understatement.
     
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    Could it be? Yes, it could.....
     
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    Yes, it "could"...
     
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    Yes, phew, that's better.

    Withnail could be OK with that!
     
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    Vegan leather? Is it OK to skin vegans if they die of natural causes?
     
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    Do they have a After my death: My skin to be used for clothing and accesories where possbile on a donor card?

    Just plain leather, don't ask me which animal, i don't know. Back when i bought them i didn't care less.
     
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    Murderer.
     
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    Is leather from a second hand shop OK?
     
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    Fine with me, providing an animal was harmed in the making of it.
     
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    I remember sitting next to a woman in the Tap & Spile who was showing off a new purse that she had bought on holiday in Bali, when the "What sort of leather is it?" question was asked. I offered the 'fact' that I knew what it was, but suggested that she might not like the idea. As I suspected she demanded to know. I explained that, in Eastern Indonesia, there was a tendency to use leather that was from the Irian province, the Western end of New Guinea, and a lot of the leather from there was actually human, from the inter-tribal wars. She doubted this, until I got her to compare the (pigskin that it really was) with the back of her own hand.

    The resemblance was sufficient for her to refuse to pick it up - one of her friends had to take it home for her...
     
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    There's no definitive hard or soft rule regarding that as far as i'm concerned.

    There's all manner of scenarios, situations and outcomes to put a particular rule on this one.

    This one is entirely up to the individual who is a vegan, or is considering veganism.

    I'd suggest not buying (animal) leather goods EVER, whichever shop they're in!
    No call for it, then there's no sale, no market; no deaths.

    No lighty...
     
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    Not if you're a woman John.
     
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    You saying that reminded me of this...

     
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    It's a difficult one this for us to be honest as we have multiple reasons for being vegan. Animal welfare (or lack of !!) is the main one, but environmental reasons are also always in our thoughts when buying of food and products. Vegan shoes, and other plastic type leather replacements are very poor for the environment, they don't degrade, and they use oil are just 2 reasons we struggle. For these reasons I would buy second hand leather products; environmentally this is very sound, and ethically if an animal has died one can argue that we should use it for as much and as long as possible. I have an old leather belt I've been wearing now for 30 years, I would't stop using it now because we're vegan, that would be just wasteful in my opinion, and being a natural product well-cared for leather will last for years and years. Plastic belts when used daily fall apart quickly and soon end up in landfill.

    I don't have an answer to be honest, daughter bought vegan Dr martens at christmas and I have some issues with them not being environmentally sound, but leather means the death of an animal. I guess it's whichever does less harm overall, but working that out isn't quite as straightforward as one twould hope!

    This argument also holds for dairy replacement products, most of which rely on palm oil, a product we boycott due to it's harm to the habitat of the Orang Utans. Boycott dairy to save the cows suffering and then eat palm oil and inflict suffering on Orang's. Not a great choice to be fair!
     
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    Well put kyoto.

    Let's not forget how harmful any product is and its production are to the environment, this isn't simply a leather goods are fantastic and don't cause any harm to anything (expect the death of the animal), as that simply isn't true.
    Many would like to presume that and argue the toss (to justify someone else killing an animal for them) but it'd be a fairly weak argument.


    Going vegan puts you in good stead for stepping towards doing the right thing for the animals, the environment and your health.

    Which order you do that in, is up to you (the individual) and whichever order you (or they) choose, you educate yourself enough to feel safe in the knowledge, you're doing your bit.

    The longer you are a vegan the more you understand what needs to be done and adapt your lifestyle accordingly.

    There's no pointing fingers and holier-than-thou vibes here (on the whole), it's just a platform to ask, understand and (i hope for most) get on board.
     

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