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That vegan thread.

Discussion in 'Lifestyle, Health & Diet' started by 1JKz, May 8, 2017.

  1. 1JKz

    1JKz Well-Known Forumite

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    I'd dearly love to be 100%* vegan right this very second but it's not possible, with time though it can only get closer to being possible and i'm in this for the long term (til death!) so we'll see.

    PS i've got my leather boots on again and there's no way i'm having a vegan leather boot burning ritual in my back garden, i'm wearing these til they fall to pieces and yeah let's hope the belt i'm wearing too lasts beyond 30 years, ha. When they do fall to pieces they WILL NOT be replaced by leather made from the skin of an animal!



    *meaning EVERYTHING i use in life i have no real control over, the keyboard i'm typing on now, the desk i'm sat at, the things i'm surrounded by
     
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    I think the whole discussion makes me realise that animal and environmental abuse is so embedded in to every aspect of modern life that it really is rubbish!!
     
  3. Mikinton

    Mikinton Well-Known Forumite

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    I would argue that it'd be OK to buy second hand leather products that had been donated to, say, a charity shop, but it would not be OK to buy them from a second hand shop or car boot sale, say, where the original purchaser will have received some sort of recompense (and which, indeed, may have played some part in the decision to buy them in the first place).

    Eggs

    I've been trying to get my head around why vegans won't eat eggs even though they are (as far as the chicken is concerned) a waste product. Should we then stop using cow manure as fertiliser? Anyway, getting back to chickens, what's the problem*? If the chicken has never been harmed in any way, why not use their eggs? Are vegan-friendly eggs in theory a possibility even though economics might make large scale production difficult. Or to put it simply, if one kept a chicken, would eating its eggs compromise one's vegan credentials?

    * - OK, I get it that some chickens are kept in, let's say, less than ideal conditions.
     
  4. Gramaisc

    Gramaisc Forum O. G.

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    I think part of the issue is what happens to male chicks who are not required in the egg-production system?
     
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    Mikinton Well-Known Forumite

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    That's reasonable.
     
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    For me, my friend has rescued battery hens that now have a luxurious life free range in her garden. I could reconcile eating these eggs personally, but other vegans I know can't. Certainly even mass produced free range eggs will only invoilve the females, so what happens to all the cockerals - gassed soon after birth I guess to become snake food??
     
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    Rubbish yeah (and difficult to understand once you go vegan) and to get why people haven't opened their eyes to the onslaught of cruel and devilish brutality that is inflicted upon billions of planet sharing animals who have been forced to live out such shitty little lives in revolting conditions (all for our so called benefit; a snack, something to keep a pair of slacks up, a fluffy key ring etc etc), is both rubbish and stomach turning.


    The fact it's the norm (for now) is very very VERY rubbish.


    Those who think they're ok with the rubbishness of it all, aren't really, they're stubborn* but stubborn in a way a small child could be if that child thinks whatever they do is perfectly ok and in no way impacts on anything (at all!) around them.


    But kyoto, we've done something that is impacting on tradition, making the switch to veganism is that one step closer remember. You only have to look back a few decades to see what then was embedded within society and that changed slowly, slowly yes but change does happen!!



    *i get it, i was totally stubborn living my life in blissful ignorance.
     
  8. 1JKz

    1JKz Well-Known Forumite

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    You answered your own question. In around about way.

    Are you vegan (well OK, i know you're not) or thinking of going vegan?
     
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    https://freefromharm.org/eggs-what-are-you-really-eating/

    I dare you to read the hole thing.
     
  10. Mikinton

    Mikinton Well-Known Forumite

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    This one?

    "If one kept a chicken [in perfectly acceptable conditions], would eating its eggs compromise one's vegan credentials?"

    I'm guessing Gramaisc answered it i.e. it depends on what fate befell the chicken's male siblings.
     
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    That can only be answered by you once you go vegan.
     
  12. basil

    basil don't mention the blinds

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    On good authority, the current Stafford 1/2 champion is vegan......
     
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    I'm afraid I didn't read the hole thing; as I don't eat eggs in that form, I didn't read the vegan recipe at the end. But I did read the rest and the argument (as regards eggs) is not dissimilar to the argument against milk production .... it's essentially about mass production (and killing male chicks).

    Thankyou for that.

    Coincidentally, I saw a programme that described bird reproduction the other day - something I'd never seen before. Attenborough's "The Life of Birds", perhaps?
     
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    '...that form'?

    You teetering?

    Don't go with your gut reaction to this question, give it some thought first before replying.
     
  16. Mikinton

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    Not long term.

    I did think of staying vegan during February (shortest month FTW) but as the plan was to live mostly on pasta, when I realised that eggs were an ingredient and discovered that they were off the menu so to speak, I rather shelved my plans.

    Anyway, summer's coming so it'll be tomato and cucumber salads for lunch, and maybe something veggie for evening meal. #EveryLittleHelps
     
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    Not long term, how come?
    Selective empathy, like so many othes, i get it.

    Most packaged pasta is vegan.

    Would you do it for just one; planet or health or animals.

    Planet; if you don't have any kids or relatives beyond those that'll probs die with you of natural causes/old age, then why bother.
    Health; if you're a fit guy, eat and drink very well why would ya need to bother, yeah that too.
    Animals; if you don't give two flying shits about any animals of any kind then why would ya join the ve gang.

    In your/this instance, fair enough.
     
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    Right, I wasn't being rude, just interested. My nephew was followed the vegan lifestyle, he only wore plastic or natural fibre shoes.
     
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    a) to see if I could ..... and b) health reasons - so see if I got any benefit out of it.
     
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    a) so you couldn't?
    b) how could you tell after a month of trying?
     

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