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The moral argument of eating meat & dairy

Discussion in 'Lifestyle, Health & Diet' started by Mikinton, Dec 31, 2011.

  1. Mikinton

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    Easy to take the piss rather than consider where your food comes from.
     
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    you assume that people give a shit :?:

    i know i'm eating mechanically separated meat product, i know how it is produced, etc.. i know i'm eating eyelids and scrotum and god knows what else, but it's damn tasty when it's put through the mill (quide liderally :keke: ) and made presentable.. stop trying to drag an informative yet light-hearted thread down! as the previous poster says:

     
  5. tek-monkey

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    Isn't eating all of an animal the best way? If you left all the sub-prime bits then the animal has fed less people, seems a waste.
     
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    You clearly don't, but some do. So don't tar everyone with your brush.

    I'd place money that you wouldn't be such a smart arse about it if you had to kill your own animals for meat, but then you probably wouldn't have the balls to do it.


    I wasn't as you well know. I had taken part in the thread in the spirit it was intended. I object to the puerile contributions from United57 and Mikinton which dragged the thread down. Your contributions are equally as puerile.
     
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    Whilst I don't agree with eating animals, I do agree that if you are everything should be used. Unfortunately because factory farming has made cheap meat abundantly available, people are wasteful. I suspect that most people who buy the cheapest chickens (for instance) don't use everything off it.
     
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    "Taken part in the thread in the spirit it was intended"?

    LOL

    Did you actually read the first two posts, both of which poke fun at veggies? I suspect my contribution is more in keeping with the spirit of the thread than your attempts to divert it have been.
     
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    I ignored those. Actually wasn't the thread suggested to separate the discussion that was taking place on The Swan thread? So, I took part in the spirit that was intended as a continuation of that, as did others.
     
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    Well maybe you should do likewise with those ingredients you find unpalatable when you eat out, rather than bleating about it.

    What the eye doesn't see, and all that ....
     
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    Ah, yes, of course, because turning a blind eye makes everything OK? FFS.
     
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    Plaese explain why eating butter is harming animals?
     
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    Is milking the cows considered inappropriate touching ?
     
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    Please explain why it doesn't, as you obviously don't think any harm is involved
     
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    Grow up.
     
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    Actually I'm curious. I know we breed cows specially for milking and there are issues of over milking. I assume there are others?
     
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    Yes, there are a lot of issues, and plenty written about them. A bit of eugenics doesn't make it any more right to breed cows for milk....

    A cow would have a natural life expectancy of something like 20 odd years. The fact they are lucky to last a few years ought to tell you something about how overworked they are. A cow only produces milk because she has been pregnant. They are made pregnant every year, and each year the calf is taken away after a few days which causes enormous distress and the calf is either shot or has a short life then becomes veal. Naturally a calf would stay with its mother for 9 to 12 months.

    The cow will usually be fed a diet which artificially increases their milk yield, and their udders forced to contain far more milk than they would naturally. Due to being made pregnant annually, further strain is placed on them through lactating and being pregnant simultaneously. Due to all of this they suffer all sorts of health problems and a great deal of discomfort and pain arising from those.

    A lot of dairy herds are also kept indoors in confined conditions for at least 6 months of they year.

    A blindingly obvious thing to end on - the clue is in the name cow's milk, i.e. it is for cows. The purpose of any milk is to feed infants of that species until they are weaned. What in the name of sanity makes anyone think that consuming cows milk is either acceptable, or sensible? It is not good for your health either.
     
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    How much of the world's crop go towards making soya milk? How much of the world's crops are fed to animals for meat? The former is insignificant, the latter is huge. Deforestation to grow crops is being caused by eating meat.


    Sadly?

    Feeding crops to animals for meat never was efficient, never was sustainable.

    Eating animals ought to be obsolete purely on ethical grounds. But on sustainability (and environmental) grounds too, eating meat is completely unsustainable.
     
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    Burning a vastly depleted resource that is our only source of plastics, in inefficient engines purely to move a personal vehicle around is more insane than eating meat.
     
  20. Mikinton

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    Yeah, but when all is said and done, you can't beat a bacon sandwich.
     
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    Not really, though the growth in car use globally is unsustainable.

    Cheap meat relies on plentiful oil too. The crops that are fed to animals are intensively farmed using fertilisers, the manufacture of which uses a great quantity of oil. Intensive farming of animals is, therefore, heavily dependent on cheap oil. As oil becomes more expensive then the price of meat will rise. Whether or not production falls remains to be seen I guess following that.
     

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