The moral argument of eating meat & dairy

Trumpet

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Miss Red said:
I know a lot of humans who let a lot of methayne out too lol as for your last point - i hope not (tek might eat me between two slices of brown rye) lol
Or even stuffed and wrapped in bacon!
 

Hetairoi

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I have only just noticed this thread and do not have time to read all the posts so sorry if anything I say is out of context or has already been said.

If you are going to eat meat I believe you have an obligation to ensure that the animal had a decent life and was slaughtered quickly and humanely.
 

db

#chaplife
henryscat said:
db said:
- i believe in the food chain
- i believe that, thanks to evolution and industrialisation, we are at the top of that food chain
- i believe that a human life is more important than an animal life (don't start bleating on about eco-systems and how the whole world would end if bees disappeared - i'm obviously talking about the philosophical argument)
Those three are more or less the same thing.... so, on what (philosophical) basis does a human life take precedence over an animals?
so, on what (philosophical) basis does an animal life take precedence over an humans?

opinions and beliefs, dear boy..

henryscat said:
db said:
people eat animals.. we have done for millions of years, we have just got better at killing & preparing them as a society (yes, a society - that means we work as a collective and get others to do the stuff we don't want to/can't).. don't start trying to draw erroneous analogies ("we used slaves for hundreds of years, doesn't make it right
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, etc.), i'm talking about basic animalistic "circle of life" shit that has been going on forever..
What's the objection to analogies?
nothing, when they are relevant and correct.. trying to say that eating meat is analogous to being a nazi is just ridiculous - good luck finding anyone to support you with that one lol..

henryscat said:
It's also interesting that you raise working as a collective, since it is in precisely that way by the blurring of who's responsible for what in a large scale killing industry that enables both workers and consumers to more easily seek to absolve themselves of guilt.
you're making exactly the same point as me, you buffoon:

db said:
people eat animals.. we have done for millions of years, we have just got better at killing & preparing them as a society (yes, a society - that means we work as a collective and get others to do the stuff we don't want to/can't)
can't you see that?? people want to "easily ... absolve themselves of guilt" - that's what allows us to eat a lovely, hot, greasy, meaty, murderous bacon sandwich without having to worry about how upset the poor little piggy was..

henryscat said:
One last point - the way in which we treat animals directly impacts on how we treat other people too. The two are linked.
lol if anyone else made a broad statement like that, you would be the first to jump all over it, bleating about wanting supporting evidence, etc..

it's also worth noting that many other vegetarians/vegans have posted in this thread, and (to one degree or another) have tried to distance themselves from your posts, as you really are coming across as tiresome zealot.. i dare say it's preventing others from putting in their two pence, as they don't want to be viewed as fanatical Edenics such as yourself:

That-Crazy-Rat-Lady said:
I've happily been a vegetarian for 10 years ... Just wanted to say that not all veggies are crazy
henry scat, to paraphrase your facetious "grow up" comment from earlier in the thread: lighten up :teef:
 

Trumpet

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tek-monkey said:
Trumpet said:
Or even stuffed and wrapped in bacon!
Hell yeah!

I'm stocking up on cheap haggis to ensure I can make more of the chicken thighs, they were great :D
Picked up some fennel & garlic sausages on the reduced counter at Asda last week, took a leaf out of your book and stuffed a couple of flattened chicken breasts with them. Brilliant with roast potatoes and a garlic & mushroom sauce.
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
Glam said:
tek-monkey said:
Miss Red said:
According to what ive read (on the people who have famously done it and are thankfully locked away forever) - we taste closest to pork! So you will have to get a jar of apple sauce in stock lol - om nom nom nom haha
Mmm, I really like pork :D
Having had 2 skin grafts on my face,I can tell you for a fact,yes burning human skin smells like roast pork,I don't know the medical terminology,but after the infected skin had been cut away,the doctor "burnt" the area to stop the blood I suppose,he also burnt the area where he took the skin graft from. All I could smell was burning crackling.
I know i'm not Twiggy (said it on the Forum loads of times),so there is a lot of fat/crackling on me.
1, Cauterisation.

2, I have heard a chap who was a cannibal, in New Guinea ( until the modern world arrived when he was in his twenties ), talking about the finer points and practicalities of cannibalism. According to him the prime cut is the fore-arm of a woman.
 

Miss Red

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Gramaisc said:
Glam said:
tek-monkey said:
Mmm, I really like pork :D
Having had 2 skin grafts on my face,I can tell you for a fact,yes burning human skin smells like roast pork,I don't know the medical terminology,but after the infected skin had been cut away,the doctor "burnt" the area to stop the blood I suppose,he also burnt the area where he took the skin graft from. All I could smell was burning crackling.
I know i'm not Twiggy (said it on the Forum loads of times),so there is a lot of fat/crackling on me.
1, Cauterisation.

2, I have heard a chap who was a cannibal, in New Guinea ( until the modern world arrived when he was in his twenties ), talking about the finer points and practicalities of cannibalism. According to him the prime cut is the fore-arm of a woman.
I bet its like the juicyest part of a chick - turn it upside down and theres two indents either side of its middle bone - in there is the juceyest bit! wonder what the skin is called on a fore arm lol
*opps meant chicken not chick haha
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Trumpet said:
Picked up some fennel & garlic sausages on the reduced counter at Asda last week, took a leaf out of your book and stuffed a couple of flattened chicken breasts with them. Brilliant with roast potatoes and a garlic & mushroom sauce.
Sounds excellent! It really is amazing how different food can be when you stuff it with other food :D

I have a selection of frozen chicken thighs in the freezer, all wrapped in smoked streaky bacon, and no idea what they are stuffed with. Its like a russian roulette with food, the suprise is half the fun! I know in amongst them are haggis, garlic mushroom and some cheese stuffed peppers (these were great) but I'm sure there were others. Black pudding was a little dry, maybe need a sauce when I try that one next.
 

flossietoo

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Gramaisc said:
I experienced that at the old SGI. I had discovered that I could make my nose bleed at will, thereby ensuring that I escaped Maths classes and spent the time having a nice lie down in the medical room with a copy of Jackie. Unfortunately my concerned teacher told my mother about my 'problem' at parents' evening. I was too scared of my mother to explain that I had been doing it deliberately and thus found myself at the SGI having all the blood vessels in my nose cauterised. Be sure your sins will find you.
 

henryscat

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db said:
opinions and beliefs
So you can't justify your position still.

nothing, when they are relevant and correct.. trying to say that eating meat is analogous to being a nazi is just ridiculous - good luck finding anyone to support you with that one lol..
Your utter ignorance does not make something "ridiculous". Many of those directly or indirectly affected by the Holocaust, have drawn the parallels and speak out in favour of animal rights.

If you think the analogy is wrong, the onus is on you to demonstrate it.

you're making exactly the same point as me
Nope.

it's also worth noting that many other vegetarians/vegans have posted in this thread, and (to one degree or another) have tried to distance themselves from your posts,
I'm sure other people can speak for themselves without you drawing inferences on their behalf.

to paraphrase your facetious "grow up" comment from earlier in the thread: lighten up
Facetious how? Some of the banal comments that are made border on the offensive. I'm sure you wouldn't tell someone challenging a racist remark that they were being facetious or that they need to lighten up. Except you think that holding a majority view confers the right to trivialise something.
 

Mikinton

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henryscat said:
Your utter ignorance does not make something "ridiculous". Many of those directly or indirectly affected by the Holocaust, have drawn the parallels and speak out in favour of animal rights.

If you think the analogy is wrong, the onus is on you to demonstrate it.
Well, just to start the ball rolling (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), but I don't believe the Jews were brought into this world to provide us with food.
 

Glam

Mad Cat Woman
Weel me forearms ain't that meaty,but me rumps got quite a bit on it! And as for me belly......................................
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
One of the main practical problems with cannabalism is the difference between dying and being killed. We tend not to eat animals that have died as they are generally old or diseased, and so we kill them whilst they are still healthy. We would really only have accident victims available for safe consumption - and it's hard enough to get people to even agree to organ donation!
 

Gramaisc

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I'm told that the effects of enzymes are such that if an animal is killed without realising what's going on then the meat is likely to be tenderer and to keep better.
 

andy w

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Am I right in thinking you can still get obese on a vegan diet as I know a number of vegetarians who are quite cuddly.
 

henryscat

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Vegan and vegetarian are not the same thing, so that statement doesn't follow....

If the NOF really thought the ad was wide of the mark they'd have complained to the ASA, but it appears they haven't so they obviously don't.
 
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