Tinkerbell
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What do people think about joining trade unions ? do they do any good ?
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Trade Unions.
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shoes
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I'm totally against Trade Unions personally although I think a lot depends on your trade. I used to be a member of USDAW and frankly I saw no benefit whatsoever. Then again I was a good employee who wasn't likely to get sacked.
What would you be interested in joining for? They have little or no say in redundancies so they won't protect you there, if you're a bad employee they can stretch out your sacking via an appeal process, again you're unlikely to win.
If your working conditions are poor and your pay is poor then I'd suggest finding another job because trade unions have little impact these days and are very slow to react, but will take you £10 a month nonetheless.
What would you be interested in joining for? They have little or no say in redundancies so they won't protect you there, if you're a bad employee they can stretch out your sacking via an appeal process, again you're unlikely to win.
If your working conditions are poor and your pay is poor then I'd suggest finding another job because trade unions have little impact these days and are very slow to react, but will take you £10 a month nonetheless.
John Marwood
I ♥ cryptic crosswords
If you are totally against Trade Unions perhaps you will now give up all the rights that Trade Unions fought for and you benifit from
Not only are you ignorant you are also short sighted and have sense of social history.
Naive would be far to generous
Not only are you ignorant you are also short sighted and have sense of social history.
Naive would be far to generous
My Name is URL
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A post from John Marwood that I can understand..... please post like this all of the time now JM.John Marwood said:
djstaffs
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I think unions have played an important part in fighting for fair pay and conditions in many industires and professions. But i think Shoes may be right that these days they seem to have little bite. If we didnt have them though i wonder how quickly we would deteriorate back to poor pay and conditions.
I am in a union, but only for the £3million indemnity cover it provides me.
I am in a union, but only for the £3million indemnity cover it provides me.
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
I don't think trade unions work unless you are in a large business sector, where the threat of action can be of serious issue. Certainly if I wanted to strike because of poor pay I'd be replaced in a flash! But if I thought I was poorly paid, I'd leave for another job. If there was no better job, then I'm already fairly compensated for my skill set.
And for the record, those striking ******* postmen held up mortgage forms that very nearly cost me the property I'm buying.
And for the record, those striking ******* postmen held up mortgage forms that very nearly cost me the property I'm buying.
basil
don't mention the blinds
A great deal of campaigning by unions has now been adopted into our legislate, so perhaps the bulk of their influence is historical. Sadly in the last 30yrs they have been lampooned and satirised by media. The press usually describe the union leaders as 'Barons' strange as drug suppliers are also given this accolade, so i guess it's meant in a demeaning fashion. Also on collective descriptions Labour party members are described as 'Activists' the Tory members are given the cosy decscirption of 'The Party Faithful'. Not too sure of some of the minor/fringe political organisations. Although allegedlly the BNP address one another as 'Companion'........
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
There's a lot of subliminal naming in the press. There is the use of 'insurgent' to describe people who may well actually live there, for example. Strangely, the IRA/UDA were never called Catholic/Prtotestant, or even just Christian, terrorists, although we happily use Islamic, or Islamist, these days - whatever the difference is, because they're different from 'us'. We call some attacks 'incursions' - largely when we think they're OK.
There is the use of 'do-gooder' as a term of abuse - and our American cousins often deride 'liberals' and then profess themselves to be the Guardians of Freedom.
Beware of propaganda - concious, or otherwise.
There is the use of 'do-gooder' as a term of abuse - and our American cousins often deride 'liberals' and then profess themselves to be the Guardians of Freedom.
Beware of propaganda - concious, or otherwise.
John Marwood
I ♥ cryptic crosswords
You make the point for Unions very well when you say...
"Such as? The salary I negotiated myself? My long, un-fixed hours? My working lunches?"
It is entirely the fact that the British are weak in the employment of others that makes Union membership vital not something to be scoffed at in a Daily Mail or Murdoch style rant
Thatcher had on board Murdoch and other key media players as well as an ignorant self self slef short sighted population which enabled her to destroy any decent standard of employment rights in the UK
All governments since have re inforced this inbalance
French workers have more respect for each other than British workers and will act as one when needed
The point is the collective not the individual - to enable support for the weak and not simply think of me,me,me
"Such as? The salary I negotiated myself? My long, un-fixed hours? My working lunches?"
It is entirely the fact that the British are weak in the employment of others that makes Union membership vital not something to be scoffed at in a Daily Mail or Murdoch style rant
Thatcher had on board Murdoch and other key media players as well as an ignorant self self slef short sighted population which enabled her to destroy any decent standard of employment rights in the UK
All governments since have re inforced this inbalance
French workers have more respect for each other than British workers and will act as one when needed
The point is the collective not the individual - to enable support for the weak and not simply think of me,me,me
shoes
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The British are not weak in the employment of others, SOME of them may be, but not all. I'm sure that Tek, MyCult and Andreas (all of whom I know personally) will agree that they all have had to work, and work hard to get where they are. There was none of this "hey brother lets strike" bullshit, roll your sleaves up and get on with it! Don't like you job? Find another. Can't find another job? Put yourself out and study something outside of working hours.
All of this collective action simply leads to industry going abroad. Oh no, it already has. Years ago.
With regard to my working lunches and working long hours, its voluntary - I have to do x number of hours a week for which I get paid x. However I put myself out, and you know what, when the next round of promotions comes along who's in the hotseat?
The work ethic in this country has gone severely down hill, although its irritating it does mean that people like me (who are willing to work hard) will get much much further than th lazy layabout dross who think that a 40 hour week is torture.
All of this collective action simply leads to industry going abroad. Oh no, it already has. Years ago.
With regard to my working lunches and working long hours, its voluntary - I have to do x number of hours a week for which I get paid x. However I put myself out, and you know what, when the next round of promotions comes along who's in the hotseat?
The work ethic in this country has gone severely down hill, although its irritating it does mean that people like me (who are willing to work hard) will get much much further than th lazy layabout dross who think that a 40 hour week is torture.
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
John Marwood
I ♥ cryptic crosswords
You appear to be having an arguement with yourself I shall go and polish the horses
John Marwood
I ♥ cryptic crosswords
there you go again...
So you actually truly, honestly believe that there is never an abuse of power by those who manage large companies. That nobody has ever been so downtrodden and demoralised by the job they are in that they couldn't begin to contemplate pulling up their bootstraps and changing careers. That, in fact, some people just aren't as clever as you. Thatcher was great, eh? You're great.shoes said: