Windows 7

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shoes said:
Wayne - its built on vista, in fact I'd go as far as to say it IS vista with a new shinier GUI, a couple more security things, a handful more apps and a newer media centre (which is the daddy btw) and a load more bundled drivers.
and you'd be right.. microsoft has even acknowledged that this is basically Vista SP2.5.. the internal version number is even 6.1 (whereas Vista was 6.0) - the whole "Windows 7" is just a brand and is nothing to do with the actual build number lol..

wmrcomputers said:
From Vista experiences, i'm tempted to wait until Windows 7 SP1 comes out
normally, i'd be falling over myself to agree with you on this one.. and not just vista - i wouldn't trust any OS until the first service pack is out, frankly.. but as shoes says, microsoft have taken no chances with windows 7 and it's been tested into the ground.. they've been giving it away free for the last year, for crying out loud - the world is their beta tester! lol..
 

wmrcomputers

Stafford PC & laptop repair specialist
Well i've finally fitted a new HDD in my netbook.... a huge pain with the Aspire One though as you have to COMPLETELY dismantle it just to change HDD or memory.

Been downloading Windows 7 for a good few hours.. 54% complete. Soon as I get chance Shoes I'll give you my thoughts on it. We have family up this weekend so I probably wont even get it installed now until after the weekend.
 

wmrcomputers

Stafford PC & laptop repair specialist
Do I really like it, Is it is it wicked,
I'm lovin it, lovin it, lovin it,
I'm lovin' it like Vis.... ta

except only better ;)

A rubbish vid of it on my Acer Aspire One netbook (which handles it surprisingly well)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD9glpTqgC0
 

shoes

Well-Known Forumite
Nice video man! I am loving it too, its great. I notice your atom pulls 2.2 in the experience ratings, i shudder to think what pulls a 1.0, maybe a PII or something!
 

wmrcomputers

Stafford PC & laptop repair specialist
shoes said:
Nice video man! I am loving it too, its great. I notice your atom pulls 2.2 in the experience ratings, i shudder to think what pulls a 1.0, maybe a PII or something!
It's quite surprising how these little netbooks perform. This is my main PC nowand it does everything I need it to do anyway. It's even a hyperthreading processor, so shows up in device manager as being dual core - although that's not quite the case.
All round good spec for under £200 brand new though.

Still lovin Windows 7. Wanna challenge who can crack it first?;) lol
 

shoes

Well-Known Forumite
Aye my boss got one recently, a HP unit and its very good. Thats running Vista basic, but does the job for him and I agree that they perform very well considering what the spec sheet says. The atom processors are certainly not underpowered all things considered (size, power consumption etc.). MyCult also has one which is very good, also HP i believe.

Re Windows 7 cracking - I am not a cracker unfortunately, I wait for someone with more skill to do it for me and then download it lol
 

wmrcomputers

Stafford PC & laptop repair specialist
forgot to say, bought a HP mininote 4133 for my son. Very tidy piece of kit but has a Via C7M processor and it runs XP just but doesn't like Vista at all, so stick with the Atom processors people if you do consider buying a netbook.
Also, if buying Aspire one's be warned that the ones with a solid state disc (usually 16Gb now) can't run XP or anything for shit! The SSD is very slow at write operations so don't go near them with a barge pole, make sure you buy the ones with a standard SATA hard disk.

< oops... sorry to derail admin! >
 

shoes

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Well still very very impressed so far, only a couple of small complaints thus far, mainly the inability (as far as i can see) to change a device driver once its been installed. Removing and readding the device immediately initiates the auto device installer and for a 2003 printer we have at work it's not playing ball.

On the subject of work, i am using my windows 7 macbook at work atm and it connected straight up to the domain and is sharing all resources with no problem, its even letting me remotely control active directory on my sbs2003 server.

100% stability, its been very very good so far, and I have been thrashing both the desktop and the PC. Currently playing UT, UT2, UT3, LFS, TF2, CS, HL2, M3 Challenge and road rash and I have had no problems with any of them either.

I have got used to navigating my way around now and I can say, without doubt, I can find any file or program on my PC much MUCH faster than I can on my mac. There are so many ways of finding and organising things and they're not gimmicks either, they are genuinely helpful, like the search facility - now incredibly fast, drop down folder navigation from the address bar, dragging windows to the side or top of the screen for automatically arranging your screen, hovering over a program in the application bar to bring it to the front until you move the mouse, no window order changed and no clicks, but you can move through explorer windows and browser windows and all your running apps in no time at all.

I am definitely going to be upgrading the work machines to this when its out and has been around for a short while, possibly Jan 2010.

Anyone who wants to try it but is aprehensive, I say go for it, as long as you're confident you can back up all your files properly just in case it does go tits up. If you are not confident in backing up your files properly then just ask and I'm sure between the boffins we can help you out!
 

wmrcomputers

Stafford PC & laptop repair specialist
Totally agree with shoes on all aspects, although I hadn't noticed the inability to change drivers. Saying that, surely we should still be able to run any driver installers manually as long as they have a setup file and that would overwrite the currently installed driver?

Apart from this, absolutely the dogs nads!! Microsoft, for once you have impressed me.

If you learn any new tips and tricks shoes, please let us know and i will do the same
 

wmrcomputers

Stafford PC & laptop repair specialist
Not a huge point to make but thought i'd bring it up anyway...

Just heard a beep even though sound was muted. Sort of a two tone beep.
Turns out it was the "Action Centre" telling me i've never set a back up (and no doubt it will . As sound was muted it used thee system speaker instead. Took me a few minutes to work out what the beep was alerting me to though, so it might be better if Microsoft also make the flag icon blink too until you have clicked on it.
 

shoes

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Yeah I think we would be able to do that, however for the particualr device i was installing it was simply a self extracting zip file and you then point windblows where the inf's are. I tried to do it manually - viewing the driver and doing a straight swap for the dozen or so files HP provided however it just failed to print.

realistically though if you're going to shell out money for a new pc or even for an OS on its own then you can afford £50 for a new domestic printer.
 

shoes

Well-Known Forumite
wmrcomputers said:
Apart from this, absolutely the dogs nads!! Microsoft, for once you have impressed me.
In terms of consumer OS's I'd be inclined to agree however server 2000 / 2003 are rock solid and I have high hopes for server 2008. Other MS software which is very good includes IIS, exchange, AD, office suite, silverlight and of course the .NET platform. I think these tend to get overlooked in the general "we hate micro$haft" vibe held by non-technical folk.

Win 7 is shaping up well though. Heard this morning on the beeb that it won't be shipped with IE though in European countries due to competition laws, which is fair enough although I thought this was all done and dusted 10 years ago, but hey ho. My only concern is this:

You have to download your preferred browser. Now, you tell me how you're meant to do that when you have no browser to start with? No doubt MS will provide a direct link to "download IE8" which you will have to do in order to obtain firefox, opera, chrome etc.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
If you look on technet they do 3 versions of a lot of software, standard ones plus ones denoted N and K. I think N is european, where certain parts like media centre are missing, and K is Korean where extra links to other media players are included. Its all from anti competition stuff, although most people will just run windows update and DL it regardless.
 

wmrcomputers

Stafford PC & laptop repair specialist
With regards to pointing the device at an inf file Shoes, can you not go around it by right clicking on the inf file and then selecting install??
Just a thought
 

shoes

Well-Known Forumite
I didn't know I could do that, will give it a go tomorrow when I'm at work, cheers :D
 

Munch

ButtMaster2000
shoes said:
Frankly I don't think it will have any problem. I was with munch the other day and she has just installed Win7 on her ore 2 duo vaio and she seemed very very pleased. Munch is a die hard apple fan (and pretty good with them too tbh) and is comparing Win7 to leopard, which cannot be bad. IMO apple might have a thorn in their side from this new release, although no doubt they will come back with a new gizmo like iThought or something which indexes your brain for faster information recall or something lol
I'm loving how unlike XP this is. Hate that goddam OS, it should of gone Windows 2000 <3<3<3<3<3 to Windows 7 (or 6.1 ha ha), with nothing inbetween because its all gay in comparassion (sp?). Let Squeak use it and I over heard her saying to Wayne about how crap my Vaio is which since the new lease of life (had to format it because it was so slow after Squeak and Baz borrowed it, feck knows what they did to the poor thing), and the dual Vista/Windows7 pick and choose, I'm bigging it up so much. It was quite offensive actually, seeing as how she is in perfect borrowment of my Dell D800, which I had to install XP on about 3 years ago and thats the only OS she's ever used, I reckon that when she says things like 'it's doing things I've not told it to do' in regards to any of my laptops, what she actually means is, "I'm clicking on stuff but because I'm unable to have everything done for me I don't know whats going on I think I downloaded a virus or 12 when I went on this porn site, yep, thats what I did alright, I think I'll yell at the inanimate object which only processes commands thats it's told to because ITS A MACHINE AND THAT'S WHY MANKIND INVENTED THEM!"

</bitch>

No complains here! Actually, one! If I want to watch 4oD, the OS is not recognised and the site tells me to come back with Leopard (which was a plesent suprise) or Vista, which, basically, I was on. Either way it's not like it was much anger, I just used Vista instead like. I never thought I'd say this, but well done Windows! I think I'd actually spend money on your latest (cop-out) OS.

I do agree with Shoes though, that having the novelty may be clouding judgements slightly. Give it a few months. I'm craving a new release from apple now though.

Waaaaaaaa
 

Munch

ButtMaster2000
wmrcomputers said:
Munch said:
Long post, sorry. I'm a chick, I gotta get my bitch on sometimes.
you crack on munch! I quite enjoyed your post - it gave me a giggle anyway!!;)
Thanks dude. There's too much frustration in this world. Its good to release.
 
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