John Marwood
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Would you vote for a party who say they will raise income tax to fund NHS?
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tek-monkey
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I would, but only if they would be held accountable on the other bullshit spending that does us no good.
This country has a serious decision to make, one which our politicians are shying away from.
Does this country want a good quality free health service or not because if we do then we have to pay for it and that means more tax to fund it properly.
If the country as a whole (referendum needed) decides it doesn't want to pay more tax to fund the NHS then we need to look at alternatives like insurance but you can pay low taxes and have a quality NHS.
I believe we should fund a quality health service, most people today don't remember when people died because they couldn't afford a visit from the doctor and I don't want to go back to that.
But if we are to keep the NHS then it has to be sorted out because there are huge inefficiencies that need tackling.
Does this country want a good quality free health service or not because if we do then we have to pay for it and that means more tax to fund it properly.
If the country as a whole (referendum needed) decides it doesn't want to pay more tax to fund the NHS then we need to look at alternatives like insurance but you can pay low taxes and have a quality NHS.
I believe we should fund a quality health service, most people today don't remember when people died because they couldn't afford a visit from the doctor and I don't want to go back to that.
But if we are to keep the NHS then it has to be sorted out because there are huge inefficiencies that need tackling.
proactive
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No. Not because I am against the principle of it but because all politicians are liars and cheats. They would say the increase in tax was to spend on the NHS, but then squander it all on some pointless war somewhere or on some other kind of bullshit based upon whichever colour banner they stand under.
In addition the NHS would really need to get it's act together. Lose the interminable tiers of middle management, focus on care and caring for patients rather than statistics by not only appointing more front-line staff, but ensuring that the staff have the correct attitude to be in a caring profession and get rid of the free-loading that takes place in the NHS by charging those from abroad that have never contributed financially here but expect free treatment (I know that is only a small fraction of the costs involved in the NHS but it is the principle that counts, after all I have to take out medical insurance to pay for anything going wrong when I travel abroad, and would show that the powers that be had some understanding of how to run things that OUR money is spent on).
Edited to add that I would want an assurance that this money would be spent on the English, Welsh and N. Irish NHS and not to fund some highly spurious promises made to the Scots or to fund the policies of the Scots government like free prescriptions for the Scots only.
In addition the NHS would really need to get it's act together. Lose the interminable tiers of middle management, focus on care and caring for patients rather than statistics by not only appointing more front-line staff, but ensuring that the staff have the correct attitude to be in a caring profession and get rid of the free-loading that takes place in the NHS by charging those from abroad that have never contributed financially here but expect free treatment (I know that is only a small fraction of the costs involved in the NHS but it is the principle that counts, after all I have to take out medical insurance to pay for anything going wrong when I travel abroad, and would show that the powers that be had some understanding of how to run things that OUR money is spent on).
Edited to add that I would want an assurance that this money would be spent on the English, Welsh and N. Irish NHS and not to fund some highly spurious promises made to the Scots or to fund the policies of the Scots government like free prescriptions for the Scots only.
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So if all of the above, which I agree with, could be guaranteed would you say yes to the increase in tax?
proactive
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The only people who could guarantee it are politicians. Politicians are liars and cheats. Draw your own conclusion.
Gramaisc
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There's always the risk that chucking more money at it just attracts more scammers - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-bonuses-chiefs-pocket-116-3553527 .
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I voted no because I am pretty damn sure there is enough waste in the NHS to easily fund the gap, they just need to cut out the flipping waste - such as boob jobs for women who want to be glamour models, even if they do claim it is for their self esteem - fook em, thats not what the NHS is for.
John Marwood
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The Daily Mail owners , the private heath suppliers and Conservative Party will be delighted to know that their propaganda works on the distracted masses of the UK
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So are you saying that no-one has ever had a boob job at the NHS's expense for lame reasons such as "it affects my self confidence"?
And are you saying that there isn't any waste in the NHS?
If so then, frankly, you are wrong!
John Marwood
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Neither
I am saying the perception of wasted money delivered by the Daily Mail propaganda vehicle, those politicians involved and those fixers involved, has very very little to do with the budgets in the NHS and how they are spent
I am saying that you appear to have been swayed by this propaganda to vote no to a specific tax rise for NHS funding, going on your previous comments
Goldilox
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There may be some wasted money in the NHS, but it costs a fraction per capita of what the American system, with it's entire health insurance industry of middle men does.
I'm not sure it's a coincidence that the same newspapers who bemoan too much wastage in the NHS are the first up in arms when NICE decide it isn't cost effective to spend a million pounds on an experimental treatment to keep someone with terminal cancer going for an extra 6 weeks either.
So yes, I would vote for an income tax rise that would be spent on the NHS, or one that would be spent on improving other public services for that matter.
I'm not sure it's a coincidence that the same newspapers who bemoan too much wastage in the NHS are the first up in arms when NICE decide it isn't cost effective to spend a million pounds on an experimental treatment to keep someone with terminal cancer going for an extra 6 weeks either.
So yes, I would vote for an income tax rise that would be spent on the NHS, or one that would be spent on improving other public services for that matter.
My Name is URL
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But surely thats the point - wastage does need to be cut out so that the most important and effective uses of funds can be realised.
Since I know Marwood loves a good daily mail stereotype to make himself feel superior to everyone else and to support his political leanings.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2006006/NHS--2-packet-pasta-cost-50-including-delivery.html
Why is it wrong for anyone - Daily Mail or otherwise - to moan about wasting money and then moan someone isn't getting Cancer drugs because they are too expensive. The moan about the former is because it leads to the later...
And just for the Daily Mail lovers, other news outlets are available....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...savings-possible-of-scandalous-NHS-waste.html
http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/waste/2013/07/nao-report-nhs-waste.html
http://www.nao.org.uk/report/managing-the-transition-to-the-reformed-health-system-2/
John Marwood
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You further prove my point, thank you
My Name is URL
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If calling it "propaganda" and blaming it on the Daily Mail makes you feel justified in burying your head in the sand about NHS waste, then i'm happy for you.
Ignorance really is bliss.
John Marwood
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If calling it "propaganda" and blaming it on the Daily Mail makes you feel justified in burying your head in the sand about NHS waste, then i'm happy for you.
My point is still the same
That the public perception of how most of the money is spent is governed by a willing and colluding media with their own financial interests and connections in Government and Private Health Provision
tek-monkey
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One bomb for isis or one fully staffed bed for a hospital? You decide......
basil
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Barring acute illness, most do not need the NHS until we reach old age when our hearing,sight, strength, judgement etc begin to fail us. If in the meantime we visit hospitals we are in danger of sometimes making assessment based on pre-conditio
Bombs need to be replaced thus employment for the armaments industry and henceforth dues for the exchequer, money makes the world go round.......
Bombs need to be replaced thus employment for the armaments industry and henceforth dues for the exchequer, money makes the world go round.......
proactive
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More like one bomb for Isis or one fully staffed ward for 3 months.
Laurie61
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The NHS needs sufficient funds to do the job, the problem is I have never seen this figure published or even if it has actually been worked out. I think it is true that money is wasted, it is almost inevitable in a big system like the NHS, the question is how much is acceptable . A family member works for a large facilities management company and although not having any hands on involvement has spoken to individuals working there and the assessment was that they got away with murder and no private business could function successfully like it. So, as others have said, I would be prepared to pay and pay extra for a properly run NHS.