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That's funny the pecuniary interest was that the Councillor has links with SRUFC was this not the case ?
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The councillor worked with the opposition to develop the speech for the councillor who called the application in at the first planning meeting - is that not correct? She was out celebrating in the Butlers Bell after the hearing with the objectors - that was posted on FB and then deleted. Surely that demonstrates a prior opinion and means cannot take part in meeting.
 
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http://www.staffordbc.gov.uk/live/Documents/Policy and Plans/Anti-Fraud-and-Bribery-Framework.pdf



http://www.staffordbc.gov.uk/live/Documents/Constitution/Part-5-Code_of_Conduct_for_Employees.pdf


7. OUTSIDE COMMITMENTS

7.1 Officers above Scale 6 are expected to devote their whole-time service to the work of the Council and shall not engage in any other business or take up any other additional appointment without the express consent of the Chief Executive.

7.2 Employees should not undertake outside work if their official duties overlap in some way with their proposed work, if it causes a conflict of interest, or if it makes use of material to which the employee has access by virtue of his or her position (for example, an architect or a planner who draws up plans within his or her own authority for an applicant for planning consent). It is irrelevant whether or not the work is paid.

7.3 Employees' off-duty hours are their personal concern, but they should not subordinate their duty to their private interests or put themselves in a position where their duty and private interests conflict. The Council will not preclude employees from undertaking additional employment but any such employment must not, in the view of the authority, conflict or be detrimental to the Council's interests, or in any way weaken public confidence in the Council. Express written permission should be sought before taking up additional employment. If in doubt, employees should discuss their particular case with their Head of Service, who may seek clarification from the Chief Executive or the Monitoring Officer.

7.4 Employees should declare to their Head of Service membership of any organisation where activities might cause conflict between the officers obligations as a member of that Organisation and their employment with the Council.

7.5 Employees conduct outside work is not generally a concern for the Council unless their conduct is such that it affects their ability to do their job effectively or it brings the Council into disrepute. In such cases an employee’s conduct may be dealt with as a disciplinary matter
 
The truth the whole truth

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MAL said:
The councillor worked with the opposition to develop the speech for the councillor who called the application in at the first planning meeting - is that not correct? She was out celebrating in the Butlers Bell after the hearing with the objectors - that was posted on FB and then deleted. Surely that demonstrates a prior opinion and means cannot take part in meeting.
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Are you sure now MAL small town and all that ?
 
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From both the council and a role as a director conflicts are both ways , he is going to love this relationship , I'm glad MAL is allowed to speak on here !
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tek-monkey

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MAL said:
It is actually quite refreshing to be able to comment on peoples concerns. On others social media (i.e.SPAG Facebook page) I have been blocked from commenting. Their interest in democracy does not extend to having freedom to comment on their posts. They also seem to make posts and then delete them some time later. At least this is an honest forum for open discussion.
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It's something I love about the forum too. You will sometimes find forumites arguing on one thread and helping each other on another with no crossover of feeling, something rare on the Internet. Within a year or two of finding this place I all but abandoned my previous online homes, and it's now the only forum I use.
 
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You know I tend to agree the good thing is anonymity, you cannot get bullied , you make a point drift off and drift back in , sometimes don't you think posts are scripted in such a way ? That questions never get answered , the forum can be at times a bit like question time ! The answer is either sarcastic , cantankerous or complete and utter crap , but still nice to see a balanced view all well done
 
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tek-monkey said:
That you don't NEED to move, you WANT to. You don't NEED to move now, you don't NEED to move at all.
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Maybe a fresh application and a few resignations retirements , someone on SPAG called it cleansing ! , a lot of money spent , a lot of money in grants up for grabs , perhaps a rethink , a game changing tactic Stay put or consider other possibilities , not to embarrass the standing of the club for one , the borough council again , the planning department its officers , the planning committee , the chairman of such committee and not to drag the name of our town through the mud again because of the shambles this time at the borough council , the topic of this thread is Judicial Review , good on the people involved who spotted irregularities
 
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MAL

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The truth the whole truth said:
Devious , I would say
willing to lie and trick people in order to get what is wanted. : not straight or direct : having many twists and turns.
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Again this feels like accusations being made from an anonymous position that would unlikely be made in person. This also makes no sense to me - who is tricking what
 
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PPPPPP said:
Which one? If so, no doubt it was due to a misunderstanding.


Will MAL vanish now he has been accidentally shooting himself in the foot for a week?
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I am not intending to disappear. As I have said I am happy to discuss whatever - I am not sure what foot has been shot. I have been as open as I can - naturally I can only discuss from my perspective and things I have control over. Other more random postings I try to ignore - but sometimes cannot help myself from responding to.
 
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The truth the whole truth said:
Maybe a fresh application and a few resignations retirements , someone on SPAG called it cleansing ! , a lot of money spent , a lot of money in grants up for grabs , perhaps a rethink , a game changing tactic Stay put or consider other possibilities , not to embarrass the standing of the club for one , the borough council again , the planning department its officers , the planning committee , the chairman of such committee and not to drag the name of our town through the mud again because of the shambles this time at the borough council , the topic of this thread is Judicial Review , good on the people involved who spotted irregularities
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The truth the whole truth said:
You know I tend to agree the good thing is anonymity, you cannot get bullied , you make a point drift off and drift back in , sometimes don't you think posts are scripted in such a way ? That questions never get answered , the forum can be at times a bit like question time ! The answer is either sarcastic , cantankerous or complete and utter crap , but still nice to see a balanced view all well done
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I agree it is good to have discussion. Why do you think SPAG refuse to allow this on their FB page. I also personally think asking for money from people when there is no reporting of who this is going to, how it is spent etc is not an open or good practice. You can see the directors of the rugby club - you feel they should not have anonymity I guess; it seems they should be public and open to whatever abuse you choose to give. You do not seem to feel that any conflicts of interest apply to others; an interesting perspective. I understand the contrived logic that says being anonymous avoids bullying - it does not of course avoid the anonymous person being the bully behind a hidden identity. It is also interesting that you have now veered into insults, it reminds me of the "Virginia Park" FB page that was established a while ago and run anonymously which was reportedly shut down by FB for being inappropriate.

One has to consider also the difference between not being answered and not getting the answer you want. I believe the people dragging town name into the mud are those who seek to try and find mischief and bad practice at every turn with no real regard to the truth just building a smear campaign to suit their purpose. It is easy for people to throw mud and whisper (or shout) accusations in the hope mud will stick. Another approach is to look for positives, to look for the end goal and the opportunity, Some will still have issues but I am sure but life does become less stressful when you look for the positive. In my world you need proper evidence to make claims and circumstantial or totally opinion based claims cannot be made. In a world of free speech we must accept people say things and support their right to do so. However just because somebody says something, and repeats it does not make it true. It is best to say when an opinion and when a fact. Good practice not to try and pass off opinion as fact. I also got castigated by some when I gave short yes/no answers when asked my opinion, then perhaps accused of question time answers when I try to explain the basis for that opinion. Its a dilemma!

I can only say that as far as the club is concerned our standing within rugby remains high and the plans for this development are supported at the highest levels of rugby.
 
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tek-monkey said:
It's something I love about the forum too. You will sometimes find forumites arguing on one thread and helping each other on another with no crossover of feeling, something rare on the Internet. Within a year or two of finding this place I all but abandoned my previous online homes, and it's now the only forum I use.
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I must try some more threads once I find the time, probably not til planning application is considered
 
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