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That’s not strictly true.
1 .The 1% are NOT the average tax paying public.
2. Approximately 43% of people don’t pay tax at all.
3. There is something very wrong with a society that doesn’t appreciate hard work and success.
Those that have worked hard to achieve, those that have made sacrifices to better themselves.
These people are paying over 40% tax.
4. I fail to understand the logic of wanting high earners to pay more tax instead of encouraging a certain group of society to realise the positivity in going out to work.
but please explain what happens to those who actually can't work to better themselves due to illness or disability ?
however i must refer you to point 3 , those that cannot work due to illness or disability , where do they stand ?
I’m not sure where you’re going with this.
But to answer the question they should be supported. Isn’t that what the system is there for? To help those who can’t help themselves?
Anyway the point that I was making was that @Cue said in one of his posts that the average tax payer represented 1% of the country.
I was merely pointing out that 1% are the top high earners not the average earner.
As we've got onto statistics, that 70% figure is pretty meaningless by itself. It could be that 1,000,000 claimants have been assessed as fit for work, 100 decide to contest it, 70 of whom win their case.to be frank , this gov has brought in a system that is very unfair to the sick and disabled.
every question, test and assessment has been designed to fail the claimant where possible ( thats why over 70% are overturned at appeal at court because its looked at again by a panel independent of the gov DWP .)
We are as a race taught to look down at those less fortunate than ourselves and hold those that are 'posh' and well spoken on a pedestal. It's one of the reasons why we're in such a mess.I typed a long reply to some of this but thought why bother. You all know where I stand and how I feel. I despair at the lack of humanity displayed at times here. One twist of fate and you could find yourself in the same shoes as those you look down your nose at.
Did she say what the extra cost would have been to have the clause removed?I watched on the news the other night the lady in the east of the country whose shop, and home above it, had been devastated by flooding. The insurance had inserted a clause in her policy to avoid paying out over flooding. She was crying .. her whole world devastated.
So f*** statistics, and the politicians and the rich who ride on the back of that horse.
I’m not disagreeing with anything that you’ve said @perry081064 but my post wasn’t about whether a system is fair or not fair. It wasn’t even about whether anyone is a Tory or votes Labour or something else.
It was about why there seems to be a culture of distaste from certain people towards those that have achieved.
So instead of saying “Look at him/her with the big house and lovely car. Still, fair play to him, he’s worked hard for it, he deserves it”
It almost seems that there is a hatred of the rich, as in, “look at him, poncy git, why should he have all that, he should be giving it to me”
I was just saying that generally speaking, those that earn more,pay more therefore contribute by paying a huge amount of tax so why the nastiness towards them?
As we've got onto statistics, that 70% figure is pretty meaningless by itself. It could be that 1,000,000 claimants have been assessed as fit for work, 100 decide to contest it, 70 of whom win their case.
And re your point about "wannabe Tories", it's not about having pots of money - I certainly don't and I imagine 99% of Tories don't either. In my case it's more about the approach to life - study well at school, work hard in your job, put into society and be careful not to take too much out*, raise your children to be be responsible citizens and contributors to society.
There's a lot of decisions to be made in life and I don't feel that Labour encourage people to make the right decisions.
* - by "not to take too much out", I mean things like eating healthily, getting plenty of exercise and do what you can to not be a drain on our NHS .... don't have more children than you can afford. etc etc