Candid Beer in Wooding's Yard.

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Much as I'd love to support them unfortunately I only drink cider, and have pretty much stopped drinking too.
 

Mudgie

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Not necessarily. To confuse the older drinker there are now things called KeyKegs which don't bring CO2 into contact with the beer and which can contain either cask (real ale) or keg. (they can also contain cider, wine , coffee & other beverages). Basically the beer is squeezed out of a container through a tap.

https://www.keykeg.com/en/home

https://www.cambridgebeerfestival.com/food-drink/beer/keykeg/

Somewhat similar containers are available from other suppliers
I'm not sure if older drinkers are more likely to be confused than younger drinkers but Henry's Law proves that pressure increases carbonation whether or not the extraneous carbon dioxide is in contact with the beer.
 

Noah

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Henry's Law proves that pressure increases carbonation whether or not the extraneous carbon dioxide is in contact with the beer

No, only when the gas is in contact with the beer, if the gas is not in contact with the beer it can't dissolve in it. In practice the difference in carbon dioxide content of cask and keyKeg beer is minute.
 

Mudgie

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No, only when the gas is in contact with the beer, if the gas is not in contact with the beer it can't dissolve in it. In practice the difference in carbon dioxide content of cask and keyKeg beer is minute.
No, you're forgetting the gas generated by the beer conditioning in the KeyKeg, carbon dioxide that dissolves in the beer just like extraneous gas pressure would.
 

Noah

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No, you're forgetting the gas generated by the beer conditioning in the KeyKeg, carbon dioxide that dissolves in the beer just like extraneous gas pressure would.

Yes, but in practice the difference in carbon dioxide content of cask and keyKeg beer is minute.
 

Mudgie

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Yes, but in practice the difference in carbon dioxide content of cask and keyKeg beer is minute.
That's not my recollection of the gun shop where I found the KeyKeg beer to be over carbonated, and over chilled.
KeyKegs though smaller work on a similar principle to the Porter Lancastrian system that in the 1970s was thoroughly tested, including with blind tastings, by the Technical Committee chaired by Pat O'Neill and found to have a noticeable carbonation such that beers so dispensed were confirmed not to be real ale.
 

Noah

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Not sure about similarities to Porter Lancastrian & tests on KeyKeg show low carbonation if that is how the system is set up. It is also possible to degas KegKegs if the carbonation is too high.
 

Mudgie

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Not sure about similarities to Porter Lancastrian & tests on KeyKeg show low carbonation if that is how the system is set up. It is also possible to degas KegKegs if the carbonation is too high.
KeyKegs are set at a particular pressure but that's invariably one giving a carbonation too high for those used to properly conditioned cask beer, and the degasing of KeyKegs rarely happens.
 

Noah

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To quote a small real ale brewer - "A quick point of information - we shouldn’t get carried away with the idea that Keykegs need to be served at usual ‘keg-level’ temp/carbonation. They can be used in place of casks and served by drawn beer engine." In addition if external pressure is used the pressure on is not set, it can be adjusted.
 

Mudgie

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To quote a small real ale brewer - "A quick point of information - we shouldn’t get carried away with the idea that Keykegs need to be served at usual ‘keg-level’ temp/carbonation. They can be used in place of casks and served by drawn beer engine." In addition if external pressure is used the pressure on is not set, it can be adjusted.
Yes, they don't "need to be" at low temperature and higher than cask carbonation but nearly always are.
And his "can be" doesn't mean that often happens because it doesn't.
And the pressure "can be adjusted" but, as is invariably higherproperly conditioned cask beer
 

Mudgie

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Yes, they don't "need to be" at low temperature and higher than cask carbonation but nearly always are.
And his "can be" doesn't mean that often happens because it doesn't.
And the pressure "can be adjusted" but, as is invariably higherproperly conditioned cask beer

Sorry, that last bit should be "And the pressure "can be adjusted" but, as I've already mentioned, is invariably higher than for properly conditioned cask beer"
 

c0tt0nt0p

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Candid are expanding at Wooding's Yard !
Great news...
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markpa12003

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I'm really pleased that candid are doing well. They are something completely different to anything else we have in stafford.

Candid is now my favourite place following the closure of floodgate.
 

Mudgie

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I'm really pleased that candid are doing well. They are something completely different to anything else we have in stafford.

Candid is now my favourite place following the closure of floodgate.
So not everyone's put off by the "eye-watering" prices ( up to £8 for a can I've heard - and they're little ones not Party Sevens ! ) ?
 
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