Proposal for new houses in Walton on the Hill.

Glam said:

Healthcare Assistant, top of Band 2. I wish I was earning 21k never mind 30!!!

*Edit. Just looked online at the pay scales, says £12.87 for top of Band 2, None of us are on that. Don't know where the figures come from there. I don't even get the danger money they used receive, that stopped long ago. Get your ear bit off/ part of it, head filled in, you have to sue and hope the Judge sees sense.

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I thought the agenda for change pay scales were pretty much universal across the NHS in England. Band 2 should be the same everywhere?

This is what you should be getting

Gramaisc said:

UK full-time annual salary by region 2023 | Statista

Average earnings in London were higher than the rest of the UK in 2023, with earnings varying significantly across UK regions.

www.statista.com

Perhaps of interest, particularly to those in NI, is that the equivalent figure for the Republic is €44,202 = £38,750.

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87.67% of statistics are made up on the spot
I think averages can easily be manipulated (as with all statistics) to get the required outcome to prove any point. Let's face it there are 3 kinds of basic average for a reason and I've always found mean average to be the most accurate as mode and median can be unfairly biased by a grouping of numbers.

I'll have look at my payslip, pretty sure I'm not on £12 sumat an hour.

And just to add to the conversation, I can't afford a new home, the only sort I can get is what we're in now, a smallish 2 up 2 down terrace. No room swing a cat, fight for a parking space, if you are lucky enough to afford a car. My sons friend is buying a home up Weeping Cross with his g/f, their mortgage is for 40+ years, he's on minimum wage at Stone computing, no chance of a decent rise ever.
The only ones at work who can afford something decent, are those whos partner earns a fair wack more than them.
No-one takes a job in healthcare for the money, no-one.

Glam said:

I'll have look at my payslip, pretty sure I'm not on £12 sumat an hour.

And just to add to the conversation, I can't afford a new home, the only sort I can get is what we're in now, a smallish 2 up 2 down terrace. No room swing a cat, fight for a parking space, if you are lucky enough to afford a car. My sons friend is buying a home up Weeping Cross with his g/f, their mortgage is for 40+ years, he's on minimum wage at Stone computing, no chance of a decent rise ever.
The only ones at work who can afford something decent, are those whos partner earns a fair wack more than them.
No-one takes a job in healthcare for the money, no-one.

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I'm significantly up the pay banding and still can't afford those new build houses.

No one goes in to health care for the money, but there are plenty of NHS workers in the higher bands, think 7, 8, 9, earning huge amounts and mostly earning every penny. I have no idea why our society, in terms of pay, values care assistants and the ilk so poorly and even under values the importance of those in the higher bands. Compare the wages of people who save lives daily with bankers for example

And that's why I am supporting the strikes. Can't pay someone with claps.

kyoto49 said:

there are plenty of NHS workers in the higher bands, think 7, 8, 9, earning huge amounts and mostly earning every penny.

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They sit on their arses and don't have hardly any face 2 face time with the patients, same with some band 5s too. It's us lowly workers who do all that. Want to know how the patients been today? Don't approach a qualified, ask the Healthcare.

Glam said:

I'll have look at my payslip, pretty sure I'm not on £12 sumat an hour.

And just to add to the conversation, I can't afford a new home, the only sort I can get is what we're in now, a smallish 2 up 2 down terrace. No room swing a cat, fight for a parking space, if you are lucky enough to afford a car. My sons friend is buying a home up Weeping Cross with his g/f, their mortgage is for 40+ years, he's on minimum wage at Stone computing, no chance of a decent rise ever.
The only ones at work who can afford something decent, are those whos partner earns a fair wack more than them.
No-one takes a job in healthcare for the money, no-one.

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Trust me, the recession that's now landed and will not only last for the next 18 to 24 months but I think will be the deepest darkest recession that I'll ever see in my life will soon level down the property prices. During high inflation national minimum wage will not be a key focus of the government as this cost to employer would have to be passed to consumers and as such drive inflation higher. So when the property market slows dramatically in 6 months time house prices will have to come down (supply and demand) the governments have been trying to raise earnings to keep up with voters life costs and inflation but now that we are in a war time economy with Russia/Ukraine inflation has spiked so further wage increases across the board will only compound living costs. Basically in my opinion the economy is at a potential breaking point and decreasing living costs is worth more than increasing earnings both from a political 'win the voters' point of view and also for our economy. I think that inflation will be back down to somewhere near the BoE target of 2% by April 2024 but until then there's bumpy times.
For me, as I've said before, I'm a very wealthy man but that wealth is not monetary it's my wife and children that make me feel wealthy

The UK has plenty of money, there is no need for anybody to be struggling.

It just needs to be spread around a bit better.

Glam said:

They sit on their arses and don't have hardly any face 2 face time with the patients, same with some band 5s too. It's us lowly workers who do all that. Want to know how the patients been today? Don't approach a qualified, ask the Healthcare.

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TBF Experienced paramedics are band 6 and see plenty of patients.

Gramaisc said:

The UK has plenty of money, there is no need for anybody to be struggling.

It just needs to be spread around a bit better.

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The fact that it isn't spread around a bit better is probably why so many people are struggling?

Glam said:

I'll have look at my payslip, pretty sure I'm not on £12 sumat an hour.

And just to add to the conversation, I can't afford a new home, the only sort I can get is what we're in now, a smallish 2 up 2 down terrace. No room swing a cat, fight for a parking space, if you are lucky enough to afford a car. My sons friend is buying a home up Weeping Cross with his g/f, their mortgage is for 40+ years, he's on minimum wage at Stone computing, no chance of a decent rise ever.
The only ones at work who can afford something decent, are those whos partner earns a fair wack more than them.

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Only way son could afford his own 2 bed house ( still had to have a 33 year mortgage, but paying off as much as he can afford to shorten it while he's in his fixed term period) and us being able to move down here , is with both my parents dying & leaving me half their house.
We were able to help with sons massive deposit due to my inheritance, or he wouldn't have got a mortgage on his wages. Even then he only just managed to get it.

Glam said:

I'll have look at my payslip, pretty sure I'm not on £12 sumat an hour.

And just to add to the conversation, I can't afford a new home, the only sort I can get is what we're in now, a smallish 2 up 2 down terrace. No room swing a cat, fight for a parking space, if you are lucky enough to afford a car. My sons friend is buying a home up Weeping Cross with his g/f, their mortgage is for 40+ years, he's on minimum wage at Stone computing, no chance of a decent rise ever.
The only ones at work who can afford something decent, are those whos partner earns a fair wack more than them.
No-one takes a job in healthcare for the money, no-one.

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£10.00 an hour for me, no paid breaks on a 20hr contract. Even if I do as much overtime as is available I struggle to hit minimum average wage for a part time contract.

staffordjas said:

Only way son could afford his own 2 bed house ( still had to have a 33 year mortgage, but paying off as much as he can afford to shorten it while he's in his fixed term period) and us being able to move down here , is with both my parents dying & leaving me half their house.
We were able to help with sons massive deposit due to my inheritance, or he wouldn't have got a mortgage on his wages. Even then he only just managed to get it.

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This happens less and less now though, my own grandparents were forced to sell their house to pay for their care in their final years.... my parents are busy spending any inheritance I may have recieved by having a good time while they can. And well done them....saving all of those years for it all to be eaten in the last few years with you living in misery with basic care provided

I still can't get my head around how previously I've been able to earn more money as a retail manager than people who fight for our country, treat the ill, save people from burning buildings or put themselves in daily danger policing our streets? With the exception of the occasional angry customer I was never in anywhere near the daily danger these saints put themselves in for our nation's safety and well-being.
All of our emergency services and armed forces are legends that do not do the role purely for money but are selfless individuals that in my opinion could never be paid enough for the work they do. They do this by choice as they could equally choose a life of retail management but thankfully they don't.
It is definitely a sh*t state of affairs that it is currently very very difficult to get on the property ladder for anyone and even more difficult/expensive to rent but this will change with the impending halt in demand.
It feels apt that we remember all those that keep us and our country safe just a day after armistice Day so to anyone on here that has done one of those roles, in the past or present, I say a huge thank you and to me you will always be appreciated and respected.

littleme said:

This happens less and less now though, my own grandparents were forced to sell their house to pay for their care in their final years.... my parents are busy spending any inheritance I may have recieved by having a good time while they can. And well done them....saving all of those years for it all to be eaten in the last few years with you living in misery with basic care provided

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My parents watched every penny , not enjoying life as much as they should, in order to keep money in the bank! Should have splashed out more while they were alive and had a bloody good time!

Thats my biggest fear is all that we've worked hard , (and sat there in our coats in earlier years rather than putting the gas fire on when the mortgage rates rose to 13.5% ) having to be used for care homes in our later life ( and at 65 & 66 the years are flying by too soon! ).

I did think about staying in tonight , but sod it.We're out on the town enjoying life while we can! ( and the disco pub we're in at the moment , which is our 'local' in town is the cheapest around )

staffordjas said:

My parents watched every penny , not enjoying life as much as they should, in order to keep money in the bank! Should have splashed out more while they were alive and had a bloody good time!

Thats my biggest fear is all that we've worked hard , (and sat there in our coats in earlier years rather than putting the gas fire on when the mortgage rates rose to 13.5% ) having to be used for care homes in our later life ( and at 65 & 66 the years are flying by too soon! ).

I did think about staying in tonight , but sod it.We're out on the town enjoying life while we can! ( and the disco pub we're in at the moment , which is our 'local' in town is the cheapest around )

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You enjoy it while you can

littleme said:

You enjoy it while you can

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Might feel ' aged'a bit more in the morning though

littleme said:

You enjoy it while you can

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That sounds like a threat...

staffordjas said:

Might feel ' aged'a bit more in the morning though

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Hubby's luck's in, eh..?

staffordjas said:

Thats my biggest fear is all that we've worked hard , (and sat there in our coats in earlier years rather than putting the gas fire on when the mortgage rates rose to 13.5% ) having to be used for care homes in our later life ( and at 65 & 66 the years are flying by too soon! ).

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Give son your house? Can't take what isn't yours.