Chell Road and Foregate Street restructured again ?

Gramaisc

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kyoto49 said:
Until the speed limits are so low that walking and cycling become the norm and car usage drops, which should be everyone's end goal. This would save everyone's health, the environment and keep everyone safe.
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There are 'societal' issues at play. You can do all of this without (much) enforcement, if people actually care.

Where I currently am there is absolutely no cycling-specific infrastructure at all, in the town or outside. There is precious little in the way of footpaths, even in some of the 'urban' areas. Outside the town there are no footpaths. Yet there is vastly more walking taking place on the rural roads than there is around Stafford - because you are generally fairly safe. Drivers take cognisance of what is going on and all road users are treated with respect.

Riding a bike round here can be slightly embarrassing to someone used to the Wall of Death routine around Stafford - people sometimes hang back so long before making absolutely sure that overtaking is safe, that I often expect to see a driving test examiner in the car.

Part of the success of 'mixed traffic' in such places as the Netherlands may also be due to the people's attitudes, particularly motorists.
 
Lucy

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Thehooperman said:
I'm not totally convinced that working from home will be as effective once we get back to "normal" if anything is like what I experienced between the lockdowns when some people went back into offices.

Meetings involved face to face attendees discussing things amongst themselves and forgetting or ignoring that the remote attendees couldn't see or hear what was being discussed.

There were also discussions and agreements being made where office attendees could talk face to face, etc.

I think home working could work and is the way to go but it will need a bit of co-ordination to integrate with those working in offices/workplaces.
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Our CEO has a rule that if anyone is in a meeting remotely then everyone joins in remotely, even if they are in the office.
 
Noah

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The old Southend arterial, built in the 1930s I think, was dual carriageway with completely separate cycle tracks & pedestrian footpaths either side. So in the 1950s & 60s cyclists rode on the main carriageways because they were smoother, pedestrians walked on the cycleways because they were wider & there were no cyclists on them and the footpaths became overgrown and formed a very nice wildlife corridor. Perverse people the British.
 
Mudgie

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Noah said:
The old Southend arterial, built in the 1930s I think, was dual carriageway with completely separate cycle tracks & pedestrian footpaths either side. So in the 1950s & 60s cyclists rode on the main carriageways because they were smoother, pedestrians walked on the cycleways because they were wider & there were no cyclists on them and the footpaths became overgrown and formed a very nice wildlife corridor. Perverse people the British.
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I remember much of the A449 between Stafford and Wolverhampton being improved to become dual carriageway with completely separate cycle tracks and pedestrian footpaths either side but I'm not sure it lasted long like that.
That was about the same time some other A roads were widened from two to three lanes, the centre one being for overtaking in BOTH directions.
 
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Gramaisc

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Mudgie said:
I remember much of the A449 between Stafford and Wolverhampton being improved to become dual carriageway with completely separate cycle tracks and pedestrian footpaths either side but I'm not sure it lasted long like that.
That was about the same time some other A roads were widened from two to three lanes, the centre one being for overtaking in BOTH directions.
Noah said:
I can remember long lengths of the A1 being like that
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There is still a section in the current Highway Code on the "three lane road" - and there are some sections still existing, mostly in the west country.

There were a couple of sections on the A51 between Rugeley and Stone into the late 70s.
 
BobClay

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The North Devon Link road from M5 Junction 27 to Barnstaple was only built 30 years or so ago and had a lot of three lane sections. Accidents became so common on one section they literally bollarded off one lane which has now gone back to nature. It's a very busy road that should have been a dual carriageway to start with, but of course the cheap version (including a now weed covered and sectioned off lane) was the option in the 80's.
 
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kyoto49 said:
I think the highway code is somewhat outdated!

The idea that cyclists should be on the road possibly dates from an era of empty roads and before modern cars and enormous juggernauts swamped the roads :(. I don't know when that rule was introduced but I shall continue to preserve my life and cycle on the pavements where proper segregated cycle paths are not provided. Pedestrians are provided a safe space to walk, pavements, cyclists should be provided with the same facility
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And as such I will continue to walk in the way of cyclists on the pavement forcing the off it.
 
tek-monkey

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Jonah said:
There are a lot of nobbers who cycle as well.
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Agree entirely, but people need to stop giving them excuses to avoid the real cycle paths we do have. Even if they are often afterthoughts that end abruptly in places you can't then get on the road! Foregate coming South is a great example of that, it ends where you can't cross the oncoming lane so have to continue on the pavement or turn back. The other side of course has no lane.

My main issue with cycling is that road users don't want them on the roads, but also for some weird reason resent them having cycle lanes. I'm not sure what car drivers want them to do, other than go away, when in reality if an issue exists where only one can be used it should be the cars removed from towns and cycling encouraged.
 
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tek-monkey said:
Agree entirely, but people need to stop giving them excuses to avoid the real cycle paths we do have. Even if they are often afterthoughts that end abruptly in places you can't then get on the road! Foregate coming South is a great example of that, it ends where you can't cross the oncoming lane so have to continue on the pavement or turn back. The other side of course has no lane.

My main issue with cycling is that road users don't want them on the roads, but also for some weird reason resent them having cycle lanes. I'm not sure what car drivers want them to do, other than go away, when in reality if an issue exists where only one can be used it should be the cars removed from towns and cycling encouraged.
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What there needs to be is a change in the law, where it becomes enshrined and then rigourously enforced that cyclists should give precedence to pedestrians, and motorists should give precedence to pedestrians and cyclists (and horses), on all roads (obviously not motorways and DCs).
 
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