Chell Road and Foregate Street restructured again ?

tek-monkey

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What there needs to be is a change in the law, where it becomes enshrined and then rigourously enforced that cyclists should give precedence to pedestrians, and motorists should give precedence to pedestrians and cyclists (and horses), on all roads (obviously not motorways and DCs).
Agreed. If driving slow anyway for example letting a pedestrian across the road for example doesn't hold you up, you just apply slightly more pressure to the pedal and you're back where you were. For them they lose any time spent waiting, plus anything the weather is throwing at them.

I have to say I'm becoming quite lazy since getting a car :(
 

Mudgie

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Agree entirely, but people need to stop giving them excuses to avoid the real cycle paths we do have. Even if they are often afterthoughts that end abruptly in places you can't then get on the road! Foregate coming South is a great example of that, it ends where you can't cross the oncoming lane so have to continue on the pavement or turn back. The other side of course has no lane.

My main issue with cycling is that road users don't want them on the roads, but also for some weird reason resent them having cycle lanes. I'm not sure what car drivers want them to do, other than go away, when in reality if an issue exists where only one can be used it should be the cars removed from towns and cycling encouraged.
The number of cyclists killed on British roads averages about 100 fataeach year
What there needs to be is a change in the law, where it becomes enshrined and then rigourously enforced that cyclists should give precedence to pedestrians, and motorists should give precedence to pedestrians and cyclists (and horses), on all roads (obviously not motorways and DCs).
Yes, and then the number of cyclists killed on British roads might drop below about 100 each year
 

Tumble weed

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Doesn't 36,000 deaths a year suggests we need a lockdown of the most polluting road vehicles ?
Aren't all polluting cars pretty much banned in a few years anyway ?

Seems to suggest from 2030 you won't be able to buy a new one anyway, and I'd imagine they'll come up with some sort of trade in along with a campaign to switch to electric, whilst making the older ones massively more expensive, either by increased road tax, an enforced petrol and diesel price hike, or a mixture of all three.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.au...l-ban-what-it-and-which-cars-are-affected?amp

Also , the government has started backing plans for the "flying car" with the first airport docking station being built this year , so by in a decade, who knows how far we'll go.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...lectric-flying-cars-launch-Coventry-year.html
 

Mudgie

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But how many people will then be killed because they didn't hear the oncoming silent electric car?
Probably less than the current 36,000 deaths a year from vehicle emissions, especially if all electric vehicles have an audible warning system a bit like reversing lorries do now.
I've realised what a difference only electric vehicles on the M6 would make to Acton Trussell, not that I would ever have considered living anywhere with neither a railway station nor a proper pub or two.
 
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kyoto49

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Probably less than the current 36,000 deaths a year from vehicle emissions, especially if all electric vehicles have an audible warning system a bit like reversing lorries do now.
I've realised what a difference only electric vehicles on the M6 would make to Acton Trussell, not that I would ever have considered living anywhere with neither a railway station nor a proper pub or two.

Whilst I think electric cars are a positive step what's the requirement for HGVs who seem the noisiest and most polluting? .

Also, with regard to cars, we'll only improve our urban environment if we reduce significantly their usage
 

Jonah

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Agree entirely, but people need to stop giving them excuses to avoid the real cycle paths we do have. Even if they are often afterthoughts that end abruptly in places you can't then get on the road! Foregate coming South is a great example of that, it ends where you can't cross the oncoming lane so have to continue on the pavement or turn back. The other side of course has no lane.

My main issue with cycling is that road users don't want them on the roads, but also for some weird reason resent them having cycle lanes. I'm not sure what car drivers want them to do, other than go away, when in reality if an issue exists where only one can be used it should be the cars removed from towns and cycling encouraged.
I would say that this country hasn't got any REAL cycle paths, just bits of footpath which has been sectioned off for cycling.

My pet hates with adult cyclists is when they are tearing along on the path and expect me walking with my dogs to either jump into a hedge, someone's garden or even into the road to get out of their way. And also when they come flying past from behind really close to me or my dogs.* But I suppose that's not cyclists as such, it's just people being arseholes.



*This also applies to an awful lot of joggers.
 

Jonah

Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
Whilst I think electric cars are a positive step what's the requirement for HGVs who seem the noisiest and most polluting? .

Also, with regard to cars, we'll only improve our urban environment if we reduce significantly their usage
Reducing the usage of cars is going to be a long and very difficult job given that our lives have been developed around their use.
 

tek-monkey

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Reducing the usage of cars is going to be a long and very difficult job given that our lives have been developed around their use.
My oh has lived in a lot of countries, and thinks the way the UK is engineered to force driving is very strange. Well, I say UK, apparently Ireland is the same. Several eu countries and in Japan she was fine with nothing, but needed a car in Ireland and here. She's also never seen such barriers to driving whilst it being so necessary, such excessive parking charges, or restrictions, that go hand on hand with a strange absence of our hideously expensive public transport. We manage to make driving very expensive, then justify it by making sure the alternative is worse.
 

Gramaisc

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My oh has lived in a lot of countries, and thinks the way the UK is engineered to force driving is very strange. Well, I say UK, apparently Ireland is the same. Several eu countries and in Japan she was fine with nothing, but needed a car in Ireland and here. She's also never seen such barriers to driving whilst it being so necessary, such excessive parking charges, or restrictions, that go hand on hand with a strange absence of our hideously expensive public transport. We manage to make driving very expensive, then justify it by making sure the alternative is worse.
I'm currently in Ireland, in a town of 1,300 people and it is probably easier to be carless here than in Stafford. I haven't driven the car 'as transport' since mid-November, just three little circular trips to keep it loosened up. The town has pretty much everything I need within a mile of the house and virtually anything, big or small, will be dropped off, if necessary. I used to shop, out of habit, at a Lidl about 12 miles away, but haven't been outside the current 5km limit since the last run there in November.

We have a giant builder's merchant/hardware shop, two supermarkets, a Wilko's-type place, four take-aways, health centre, two bank branches, clothes shop and lots of other 'small' things. There's a three-times-a-day bus service to the two nearest 'big' towns and we're (luckily, I'll admit) four miles from a station on the main Dublin-Cork railway, where about half the trains will stop.

Also, walking and cycling are a lot less unpleasant than they are in Stafford.


I used to come here on the train, but gave that up around 2008, when the trip to/from Holyhead became just too difficult. The car did have 'use' on the subsequent trips, but little of it was truly necessary, more because it was available.

There were monthly trips to a hospital appointment fifty miles away, but the trips when I wasn't here were easily accomplished by just making a phone call to arrange a volunteer driver on the day.


On the subject of the noiselessness of electric cars, I'm hoping that you will be able to install your own preferred sound files.

I want this.

 

BobClay

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You have that sound and you're likely to find a Typhoon hovering about in your rear view mirror. :P
 

kyoto49

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Reducing the usage of cars is going to be a long and very difficult job given that our lives have been developed around their use.

I don't disagree. But the Dutch were in the same situation when they made the conscious decision to prioritise cycling. It didn't happen by chance! If we spent the money that Is allocated to road building in just one year on cycling infrastructure we would improve things exponentially.

The more selfish the society the more they demand the 'right' to drive? Just a thought.
 

Gramaisc

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You have that sound and you're likely to find a Typhoon hovering about in your rear view mirror. :P
I'll see if I can fit the anti-tailgating device, as well.

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Also, walking and cycling are a lot less unpleasant than they are in Stafford.
Someone here has noticed that I use slightly different routes on what are basically reciprocal journeys. This is because I have an inbuilt programme which requires me to take the first opportunity to cross, when I am walking along a road that I will need to cross over at some point, rather than end up standing around when I finally do need to cross, waiting for an elusive gap in the traffic.
 
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Mudgie

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I don't disagree. But the Dutch were in the same situation when they made the conscious decision to prioritise cycling. It didn't happen by chance! If we spent the money that Is allocated to road building in just one year on cycling infrastructure we would improve things exponentially.

The more selfish the society the more they demand the 'right' to drive? Just a thought.
The Dutch had the advantage of not having as many contours as us but they do seem more tolerant and less selfish .
 

proactive

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Aren't all polluting cars pretty much banned in a few years anyway ?

Seems to suggest from 2030 you won't be able to buy a new one anyway, and I'd imagine they'll come up with some sort of trade in along with a campaign to switch to electric, whilst making the older ones massively more expensive, either by increased road tax, an enforced petrol and diesel price hike, or a mixture of all three.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/108960/2030-petrol-and-diesel-ban-what-it-and-which-cars-are-affected?amp

Also , the government has started backing plans for the "flying car" with the first airport docking station being built this year , so by in a decade, who knows how far we'll go.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...lectric-flying-cars-launch-Coventry-year.html
Rofl.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Aren't all polluting cars pretty much banned in a few years anyway ?

Seems to suggest from 2030 you won't be able to buy a new one anyway, and I'd imagine they'll come up with some sort of trade in along with a campaign to switch to electric, whilst making the older ones massively more expensive, either by increased road tax, an enforced petrol and diesel price hike, or a mixture of all three.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/108960/2030-petrol-and-diesel-ban-what-it-and-which-cars-are-affected?amp

Also , the government has started backing plans for the "flying car" with the first airport docking station being built this year , so by in a decade, who knows how far we'll go.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...lectric-flying-cars-launch-Coventry-year.html

So 2030 before they stop selling them (and there will be many exclusions to this), meaning lots still changing hands til 2045 at the very least. The big petrol companies won't want to let go of their monopoly too quickly, and they have mates in high places, so unless they can find a way to VERY quickly charge your car I think we'll see many reasons not to bring in this change. Especially if it was an EU one?

Until we can quickly and cheaply charge cars away from home, or massively increase their range, I suspect fossil fuels will remain. And that is of course ignoring their prohibitive costs right now.

EDIT: Wouldn't mind a flying one though, can they stop you popping across the channel for a booze cruise?
 

stoofer34

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I'm currently in Ireland, in a town of 1,300 people and it is probably easier to be carless here than in Stafford. I haven't driven the car 'as transport' since mid-November, just three little circular trips to keep it loosened up. The town has pretty much everything I need within a mile of the house and virtually anything, big or small, will be dropped off, if necessary. I used to shop, out of habit, at a Lidl about 12 miles away, but haven't been outside the current 5km limit since the last run there in November.

We have a giant builder's merchant/hardware shop, two supermarkets, a Wilko's-type place, four take-aways, health centre, two bank branches, clothes shop and lots of other 'small' things. There's a three-times-a-day bus service to the two nearest 'big' towns and we're (luckily, I'll admit) four miles from a station on the main Dublin-Cork railway, where about half the trains will stop.

Also, walking and cycling are a lot less unpleasant than they are in Stafford.


I used to come here on the train, but gave that up around 2008, when the trip to/from Holyhead became just too difficult. The car did have 'use' on the subsequent trips, but little of it was truly necessary, more because it was available.

There were monthly trips to a hospital appointment fifty miles away, but the trips when I wasn't here were easily accomplished by just making a phone call to arrange a volunteer driver on the day.


On the subject of the noiselessness of electric cars, I'm hoping that you will be able to install your own preferred sound files.

I want this.


even better!
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
Until we can quickly and cheaply charge cars away from home, or massively increase their range, I suspect fossil fuels will remain.
We are there to a certain extent with Tesla because they have invested massively in their own infrastructure. If course to get the range you have to have a huge number of batteries, and that means you get reconciliatory heavy cars. Outside of Tesla, the charging infrastructure is appalling in so many ways that it deserves a thread of its own.

The game changer for electric cars will be when technology perfects the solid state battery.

Then we are still left with the problem of the fact that, for a good while anyway, most electricity will continue to be generated in a not very clean way.
 
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tek-monkey

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We are there to a certain extent with Tesla because they have invested massively in their own infrastructure. If course to get the range you have to have a huge number of batteries, and that means you get reconciliatory heavy cars. Outside of Tesla, the charging infrastructure is appalling in so many ways that it deserves a thread of its own.

The game changer for electric cars will be when technology perfects the solid state battery.

Then we are still left with the problem of the fact that, for a good while anyway, most electricity will continue to be generated in a bit very clean way.
How quick can you charge a Tesla?
 
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