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Gramaisc

Gramaisc

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SketchyMagpie said:
Without wishing to be disrespectful, a lot of the people I've seen on social media talking about not having the vaccine are religious folk. Not that there's anything inherently anti-vaccine about religion, but those waters do seem to mix with the murky depths of conspiracy theories and so I think there's some cross-contamination.

A family member is Christian and although they are perfectly reasonable and trust in science etc (they weren't going to have the vaccine originally but changed their mind), I have seen some of the people they have met through Christ who are definitely more on the nonsensical end of the religious spectrum, talking about Bill Gates and microchips and the mark of the beast etc etc etc. So I think (wrongly or rightly) that a lot of reasonable people get exposed to probably the more plateable bits of the "lunatic fringe" (such as how a lot of people at Qanon rallies are just there because they want to save children from abuse and don't really know much more about the movement than that) and the vaccine doubt filters through. I'd like to hope that, with most people, it's more a case of vaccine hesitancy than anti-vaxx as that's at least something you can work with.
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Religion and conspiracy theories are versions of the same thing - the believers believe and that's almost all there is to it.

I know someone who decided almost immediately that the CIA demolished the Twin Towers for some ulterior motive, a reason he will often give for this belief is that "jet fuel can't melt structural steel", this being despite working for many years on turbine-powered aircraft. It would surely make you wonder why gas turbines were such a struggle in the early days - but, only if you are going to wonder, of course.

When shown this picture of an RSJ at Astonfields, which slumped under little more than its own weight, after a somewhat smaller fire, he declared it, instantly, to be "sub-standard steel".

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The other day, I had it carefully explained to me that "we just don't know enough about the long-term effects of these vaccines" - half-way through this, he stopped to light another cigarette.

There is, I find, little point engaging with these people. You may, possibly, achieve the odd conversion, but it's a very rare event. The best policy may be to make it plain that you consider them to be mad and that you are not open to conversion by them.
 
BobClay

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Gramaisc said:
There is, I find, little point engaging with these people. You may, possibly, achieve the odd conversion, but it's a very rare event. The best policy may be to make it plain that you consider them to be mad and that you are not open to conversion by them.
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Alternatively you could buy one of my bacofoil hats, which fit all sizes of head, keep out all known forms of radiation, (in particular 5G,) and are very cheap at 20 guineas.
You can even buy a stylised wig which will cover the bacofoil hat so that people don't think you're as daft as a brush. :P

(When did you last see a brush wearing a bacofoil hat ? ... and we know they're all as daft as a biscuit tin. Scientific proof for sure.) :slayer:
 
littleme

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This may be of use to people either working in school, or with kids at school, I didn't find out about it till today, but very uselfull to me as my daughters at school and I work in retail - I try to book tests for myself when I can but often have to cancel them through changing work commitments....

https://www.gov.uk/order-coronaviru...tz2g8r9ZB4RfMRDcG-neXhEvapHXlmxNWCKGQV-3pbYQM

You can order a box a day. I've found it will only let me have them if....

I don't make an account

I don't opt to pick them up


Hopefully this will help some people!
 
FooFighter

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littleme said:
This may be of use to people either working in school, or with kids at school, I didn't find out about it till today, but very uselfull to me as my daughters at school and I work in retail - I try to book tests for myself when I can but often have to cancel them through changing work commitments....

https://www.gov.uk/order-coronaviru...tz2g8r9ZB4RfMRDcG-neXhEvapHXlmxNWCKGQV-3pbYQM

You can order a box a day. I've found it will only let me have them if....

I don't make an account

I don't opt to pick them up


Hopefully this will help some people!
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If you can get to the Kingston centre you can pick them up from there.
Test first, explanation of the process and you can pick up a kit of 7.
This is open to all parents/guardians and people working with children.
Today we're open from 12:40 - 7:15.
Booking preferred but not essential.
Attendance has dropped of a cliff recently.
I think that people who have had the jab think they are now bulletproof to covid.
You can still get it.
You can still pass it on to someone else.
You can still infect a loved one and potentially kill them.
It hasn't gone away, we're just getting more resilient to it
If you are in work or out and about, you should get tested twice a week.
My personal belief is that this should be mandatory for shop workers due to public 'contact' and should be essential for any shop to be allowed to open
 
Cue

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FooFighter said:
My personal belief is that this should be mandatory for shop workers due to public 'contact' and should be essential for any shop to be allowed to open
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Workplaces are meant to be able to order free lateral flow tests, but of course that means people getting sick leave which we can’t be having can we?
 
C

cj1

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There is also the issue of people refusing the test as sick leave is only paid to 95.85 per week and they are unable to take the financial hit. Possibly one reason poorer communities having higher infection rates. people on furlough get higher income than someone isolating with covid.
 
kyoto49

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Is there anywhere in Stafford where you can turn up and get a vaccination slot that would otherwise go to waste due to no shows? Daughter would really like to do this while at home over Easter. Apparantly this system is common in Liverpool but she'd rather the post feel the post jab peakyness while at home!
 
Lucy

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Not at Kingston Centre, we all got a bollocking when someone turned up after being told that was the case.
 
proactive

proactive

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SketchyMagpie said:
Surveillance in your own home is a pretty grim concept.
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...monitored-via-webcam-home-working-infractions
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Well if they are being paid to work from home then I don't really see a problem with an employer being able to check that work is the priority for the 8 hours or whatever their employees work for.

Work from home should not be a skiver's charter.

Anyway whilst working from home today, I went for a walk over the Chase and it was blooming freezing.
 
Carole

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Husband has been working from home for the past year and has been busier than when he was in the office.
He leaves his social phone downstairs so he doesn't get distracted by social media or personal phone calls. He goes into the upstairs bedroom office at 8.30am, emerges for mid morning coffee and lunch and then finishes at about 5.30 or 6.00pm.
I can hear him on his conference calls or just on the phone and I don't disturb him at all.

Friends and neighbours just don't understand.
They think that because he's in the house that he's free to just pop downstairs for a doorstep chat. They also don't really understand that he is actually working and doing a proper job.

If I go out I stick a notice on the door saying "please don't ring the doorbell, husband on business call and can't answer the door".

I think if his company put a webcam in his home office they might increase his pay.
 
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Lucy

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proactive said:
Well if they are being paid to work from home then I don't really see a problem with an employer being able to check that work is the priority for the 8 hours or whatever their employees work for.

Work from home should not be a skiver's charter.

Anyway whilst working from home today, I went for a walk over the Chase and it was blooming freezing.
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I think that lots of people think working from home is for skivers. I used to have that opinion because I was terrible at doing it. Now I love it I realise the error of my ways.
 
proactive

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
Lucy said:
I think that lots of people think working from home is for skivers. I used to have that opinion because I was terrible at doing it. Now I love it I realise the error of my ways.
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No I don't think WFH is for skivers at all. But some people will always try it on so why should their employer subsidise them?

They'd probably get the sack if they tried it in the office, so why is doing it at home different.
 
SketchyMagpie

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My horror at that might also be because I've worked from home for 10 years..... if people actually saw how little work I get done*, I'd be stuffed XD

* then again, I have no hourly wage, no overtime and no holidays so....
 
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SketchyMagpie

SketchyMagpie

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proactive said:
No I don't think WFH is for skivers at all. But some people will always try it on so why should their employer subsidise them?

They'd probably get the sack if they tried it in the office, so why is doing it at home different.
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You seem to be arguing for the right of employers to expect their employees to do their work, rather than the right for them to install cameras in their workers' homes. Those two things are not the same argument and there are other, less-intrusive ways of monitoring performance and productivity.

Apart from the fact that workers are not home by choice, you're also talking about a system of surveillance that has clear opportunity for abuse, both by management *and* hackers. We've already seen how women have been harassed by men who abuse the access they have to contact details, I dread to think what would happen if they had access to a webcam that the person it's filming cannot control.
 
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