Coronavirus.

staffordjas

staffordjas

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ATJ said:
Anyone get a night of the most vivid nightmares after their second jab?
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I normally have vivid nightmares each night when I actually manage to sleep , so can't remember it being any worse than normal.

I just went freezing cold and really bad aching back of head, neck, shoulders and jab arm exactly 12 hours after 2nd Pfizer . Hot water bottle in bed & paracetamol sorted it and I was fine next morning.
 
SketchyMagpie

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No nightmares but I did have lots of vivid dreams.

No headache or nausea this time (pfizer), just the incredibly sore arm. My thumb on that arm also feels achey and sore at the joint but not sure if I just slept on it funny.

EDIT: Headache has come on.
 
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SketchyMagpie

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I think it was on here that someone was asking about length of covid hospital stays at the minute. Just found this on Twitter (from yesterday):

"48553 cases today. 100 more patients in ICU with covid19 than 5days ago.

Median ICU stay:-
Heart/major cancer surgery 1-2d
Covid (not ventilated) 5d
Covid (ventilated) 20d
Covid (kidney support) 32d

So when ICU is full, 1 patient with severe covid19 requiring invasive ventilation (which up till now has been about 60% of the 37500 admitted to England, Wales & NI) cancels 10-20 heart/major cancer surgeries. We need to clearly communicate this.

Here is the actual data from the fantastic folk at ICNARC. Pages 60, 62 and 64 for the length of stay data: https://t.co/jnkGDbReWB?amp=1

Whilst you are all listening - other sobering facts from this report - in Jan 2021 ICUs were at almost 200% capacity (p20) and we had to transfer 1 in 10 patients (p46) to find a spare bed - 25% of these transfers were to a different region (p49) some hundreds of miles"
 
staffordjas

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The owners of the building hubbys office is in , as well as many other companies, has sent an email around saying that despite government restrictions being lifted on 19th July , they are going to keep the covid restrictions in place there and the wearing of masks in the building will be compulsory. I'm very happy about that !
 
Lucy

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Nothing is changing in our WFH plans, although I am going in on Tuesday, and the only thing they are removing in the office is the one way system.
 
littleme

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Daughter-in-law tested posative for corona virus this morning, she's a teacher at one of Staffords villages primary schools. :ohno:

Sons test came back negative, but he thinks the chances of testing posative within the next few days are high.

He's only had 1 jab, whereas d-i-l has had both....


Shit-on-it.
 
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cj1

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Quite likely, as 80+% of the population are expected to be exposed to the virus By the end of September. However with high levels of immunity (90±% of the population having antibodies) hospitalisations and deaths should be much lower during the exit wave than earlier waves. Cases however are likely to exceed earlier waves with 100,000 cases a day a likely outcome.
 
proactive

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cj1 said:
Quite likely, as 80+% of the population are expected to be exposed to the virus By the end of September. However with high levels of immunity (90±% of the population having antibodies) hospitalisations and deaths should be much lower during the exit wave than earlier waves. Cases however are likely to exceed earlier waves with 100,000 cases a day a likely outcome.
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How cheery.

You forgot all the disruption that is already happening and is only going to get much, much worse because of all the people who are going to have to self isolate. Not to mention the increase in hospital admissions and deaths that are inevitable, for all those who aren't protected and a good proportion of those that are.

But hey ho, things are so much better now. Let's all rejoice at Freedom Day. Hugs and snogging all round...
 
proactive

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Lucy said:
Looks like the PM might end up isolating for his Freedom Day. I think I'm more angry with them now than any of the other messes they've created through this whole thing.
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I doubt it. Because 'we're all in this together', ministers have access to a special pilot scheme that allows them to maintain their freedom providing they complete a negative test every day.
 
Carole

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Can someone please explain it to me because I think I’m missing something.

Yes loads of people are contacting coronavirus, but hundreds of people are contracting flu. Many more are dying of flu and other things.

People are contacting Coronavirus but not many people are dying from it.
50 deaths is quite small compared to the other weekly deaths from other things.

Of all the deaths in the UK in July, only 1% were due to Coronavirus. Yes just 1%.
That means that 99% are dying of other things.

This week less than 9% of hospital admissions were due to Coronavirus.

I genuinely don’t understand why, when the chances of dying from it are minimal compared to everything else, why there is still such a panic over it.

I’m genuinely not trying to be obtuse, I just don’t get it.
 
The Hawk

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Carole said:
Can someone please explain it to me because I think I’m missing something.

Yes loads of people are contacting coronavirus, but hundreds of people are contracting flu. Many more are dying of flu and other things.

People are contacting Coronavirus but not many people are dying from it.
50 deaths is quite small compared to the other weekly deaths from other things.

Of all the deaths in the UK in July, only 1% were due to Coronavirus. Yes just 1%.
That means that 99% are dying of other things.

This week less than 9% of hospital admissions were due to Coronavirus.

I genuinely don’t understand why, when the chances of dying from it are minimal compared to everything else, why there is still such a panic over it.

I’m genuinely not trying to be obtuse, I just don’t get it.
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I think if you look at it just from your risk of dying, then the odds are stacked hugely in your favour, especially if you've been double vaccinated.

But it's a lot more than that. Hospital admissions, as a result of COVID-19, take up a disproportionate amount of NHS resources and then there's the impact of long-COVID on both the patient and on the long term resources of the NHS. Plus, whilst numbers are high, there is an increased risk that a more deadly variant will arise.

And, many businesses are struggling, due to losing employees who have to isolate. School children are missing part of their education and things like holidays and attendance at events cannot be booked with any certainty.

Now I know flu can be disruptive, but I can't ever recall it being that disruptive. Many other things impact on individuals and families, but not the whole planet.
 
Withnail

Withnail

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Carole said:
Can someone please explain it to me because I think I’m missing something.

Many more are dying of flu and other things.
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For one, you'd have to back up the assertion that 'many more' are doing those things.

What people have to remember, with a 'novel' virus, is that ABSOLUTELY NO ONE has any immunity to it.

So you can know, FOR CERTAIN, that if they come in to contact with it , THEY WILL GET IT.

This complicates matters. A lot.

It means that even when you have vaccinated half the population, half of the population are unvaccinated, and even when half of those unvaccinated have antibodies from previous infection, one quarter of those are still available for fun 'n' good times, and when you have a large population, one quarter of them equates to a large number.

Whether one considers Covid to be 'popular' at this point is possibly a separate argument.
 
Withnail

Withnail

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We also have to be aware that this appears to be a debilitating/life-limiting illness to as many as 10% of those infected with it, the ramifications of this will be long term.

Try not to get it. If you get it, try not to give it to anyone else.
 
Carole

Carole

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I understand that long covid is debilitating, I really understand that, it’s very scary. I’m not saying that it’s not a serious issue. But other things are scary too.

I’m trying very hard not to catch it. I’m beginning to think that I’m in a minority at the supermarket, because while I’m standing there sanitizing my hands and my trolley, the world and his wife waltzes past me.
I will continue to keep a safe distance and I’ll carry on wearing my mask.

So, is it because there’s no herd immunity yet, they need to get more people vaccinated?
Is it because if more and more people catch it then it can mutate so it needs to be stopped now?
if so then why have all these big events been allowed to take place?

I don’t want anyone to think that I’m arguing about it, I usually “get things” so I just want it explained to me.

Also I’m not saying that I’m not concerned about it, I am. But it’s worrying that the focus appears to be only on this when other health concerns are equally an issue.
 
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