Animal rights - are they serious? Animal research & sustainable meat

[henryscat]

I'm all for animal rights but we have to use a little common sense.

So what's "common sense" in the context of animal rights then?

Animal rights activists are a special breed (special in more than one way I think!) and thankfully there aren't too many of them - they do more harm than good.

Harm such as?


Ignorant doesn't even begin to describe your postings.

 

[shoes]

I was actually looking around the PETA website (go check it out, it's hilarious) and found a link to this website. It's brilliant, they actually think that people who fish have small penises. Check the testimonials out - I can't believe anyone in the right mind would upload this crap.

I'm sure I can find many more examples of the pathetic attempts made by socially inept AR activists to disuade you from activities such as fishing if you like?

 

[henryscat]

Nope, you haven't answered the question then.

The basic point is that eating animals and using animals in "research" causes significant harm/suffering for both animals and humans.

 

[basil]

Nope, you haven't answered the question then.

The basic point is that eating animals and using animals in "research" causes significant harm/suffering for both animals and humans.

Doing the opposite of this causes greater harm/suffering to both animals and humans....

 

[kyoto49]

animal rights activist = (low IQ + lack of common sense + irritating) - (self esteem + social ability + usefulness to society)

QED,

As a person who cares deeply about animal welfare I take offence at that incorrect stereotype. I have none of the above 'qualities'.

Whether or not one agrees with the eating of squirrels, one should not condemn a whole group of people whose views you do not agree with.

As Ghandi said
“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated”

 

[Gramaisc]

As Ghandi said
“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated”

I understand that Ghandi was also once asked for his views on Western Civilisation. He paused, thought deeply for a few seconds, and then answered "I think it would be a good idea.."

 

[John Marwood]

animal rights activist = (low IQ + lack of common sense + irritating) - (self esteem + social ability + usefulness to society)

QED,

As a person who cares deeply about animal welfare I take offence at that incorrect stereotype. I have none of the above 'qualities'.

Whether or not one agrees with the eating of squirrels, one should not condemn a whole group of people whose views you do not agree with.

As Ghandi said
“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated”

Digressing slightly..


Until you witness a Wolverhampton Crown Court case that indicated that the pet dog of a household was cared for better than a baby, of course ...

Man beats dog in street - outrage and action . Man beats kid is street - serves the little blighter right.. ???

 

[henryscat]

Nope, you haven't answered the question then.

The basic point is that eating animals and using animals in "research" causes significant harm/suffering for both animals and humans.

Doing the opposite of this causes greater harm/suffering to both animals and humans....

How?

 

[henryscat]

As Ghandi said
“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated”

Yep, the way in which people treat animals is also reflected in how we treat other people.

 

[Withnail]

Right up to the moment they are shot, squirrels are treated very well indeed.

I don't see any moral difference between shooting and eating wood pigeon and doing the same to squirrels.

 

[db]

not wanting to defend shoes here, but in fairness i think he is confusing PETA with animal rights supporters in general.. i think even most animal rights supporters would agree that PETA are as mad as boris johnson..

that being said, the only animals i like are either on a spike, or wrapped up in a naan..

 

[Gramaisc]

I don't see any moral difference between shooting and eating wood pigeon and doing the same to squirrels.

Maybe you would, if you were a squirrel..

 

[Withnail]

If i did, and i were, that would make me an hypocritical squirrel.

 

[Withnail]

The basic point is that eating animals... causes significant harm/suffering for both animals and humans.

You will find plenty of ammo here.*

Just if you need it, like. Which i'm sure you don't on account of being generally ammo'ed up.

Whilst i am up for a tangential digression or two, in this instance i fail to understand why Viva! (sic) are so exercised about squirrels yet appear to be unconcerned (as far as press releases go) as to the fate of many more pigeons that go the same way.

I personally don't think they should get themselves into such a lather about either of them.

If people are going to eat meat - which they will - squirrel is almost infinitely better than farmed meat.

My go with the air rifle.

*Very lengthy, yet very interesting article - honestly worth a read regardless of shortened attention spans. Scary statistics** and everything - you'll love it.

**Such as - the average British carnivore eats over 11,000 animals in a lifetime: 1 goose, 1 rabbit, 4 cattle, 18 pigs, 23 sheep and lambs, 28 ducks, 39 turkeys, 1,158 chickens, 3,593 shellfish and 6,182 fish - honestly, you'll love it.***

***N.B. No squirrels.

 

[tek-monkey]

not wanting to defend shoes here, but in fairness i think he is confusing PETA with animal rights supporters in general.. i think even most animal rights supporters would agree that PETA are as mad as boris johnson..

Gotta agree, nobody with a full set of synapses can really think members of PETA are normal people. They are the Taliban of the animal rights world, all the normal muslims wish they'd just **** off.

Just reminded me actually, I met a nutter once who offered me a cup of coffee, but made a point of saying they only had goats milk because they were vegans. How does that work?

that being said, the only animals i like are either on a spike, or wrapped up in a naan..

Thats a very narrow viewpoint you have there, what about in a sammich?

 

[Alan B'Stard]

As Ghandi said
“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated”

Yep, the way in which people treat animals is also reflected in how we treat other people.

I'm not too sure about that.

Hitler was very fond of his Alsations.

 

[Vault_girl]

The basic point is that eating animals and using animals in "research" causes significant harm/suffering for both animals and humans.

Whilst I love animals greatly and dislike animal cruelty (I'm one of those weird people who would probably prefer to donate to an animal charity over a children's charity) I don't fully agree with this. Eating animals does not cause significant harm/suffering to both animals and humans. We, as omnivors MUST eat meat... if you don't you need to eat veggie stuff with added protein, calcium, iron, vitamin D and ESPECIALLY vitmain B12 which is ONLY found naturally in animals otherwise YOU WILL DIE. Yes an animal will die to provide meat but how (apart from the whole thing of us being a clever species and coming up with far more humane ways of killing animals) is that any different from say a pack of lions on the savannah chasing down a buffalo and killing it to survive (I'm sure the buffalo would be far happier to be killed instantly rather than run for his life for a few minutes then have razor sharp claws ripping his flesh apart whist he still tries to escape before being slowly suffocated to death). I know there will always be the minority who treat "meat" animals badly before they are killed but there are laws there to protect the animals on the whole from this (and yes you could start a whole over farming argument but lets not for now). meat is not murder - it's nature. I know there does not seem anything natural about slaughterhouses but if we didn't have them it would be a far less sterile environment for killing meat in in order to eat it. Humans, as a species have moved forward technologically in everything including how we get our food. So I don't agree with the whole eating animals causes significant harm to animals and humans. I always buy free range eggs and free range chickens etc. I would also point out that in terms of living space, rabbits are legally required to have more space (in ratio) to the size of new houses being built today and the average family size (what I attempted to say there is that rabbits are legally entitled to get more living space than humans in their homes).

I don't agree with MUCH animals research - things like cosmetics etc. I'm not 100% against animal testing for life-saving drugs though. I know that there is the argument that there is no point as we can't fully forsee how the drug will react to humans just because it reacts well to lab mice but it is how we have been able to come so far with medicine - the mice can be reproduced quickly to hone the drug's effectiveness. I'm not too happy about all the genetic modification done to the mice for the testing but at the end of the day if I'm offered medicine which is going to save my life I'm not going to turn it down because when it was being developed it was tested on animals. Which I feel means I can't really complain about that - I don't however buy cosmetics which have been tested on animals.

I know people who below to PETA and whilst I admire them for their hard work towards helping animals I do feel thay go a bit far sometimes.
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Oooh I've been reading this thread to see where it went itching to put in my views... I feel so much better now haha!

 

[Gramaisc]

Wherever you are in the foodie spectrum, those above and below can seem a bit weird. There are 'fructarians' who will only eat plant material that does not result in the death of the host plant, i.e., fruit, nuts, individual leaves, etc. - and there are ( probably ) people that would eat gorillas, chimps, and even other humans - witness the trade in 'bush meat'..

 

[Vault_girl]

Wasn't there a character on "about a boy" or another similar film who only ate fruit which had fallen from the host plant... as a joke...
as per indiana jones isn't monkey brains already a delicacy? and guinea pig!

If that's where you live and that's the type of meat around then why not? if chimps are the local meat (as opposed to cow/sheep) then surely thats what you'd naturally eat?

also - did anyone see that episode of QI where they spent ages explaining to phil jupitus that you can't live off rabbit alone? it doesnt have enough vitamins etc in. Was quite a funny part.

 

[Gramaisc]

And, of course, polar bear liver has so much Vitamin A that it will see you off, eventually - as various arctic explorers have found out the hard way.

Bear that in mind if you see any in Tesco..