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Coronavirus.
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Lucy
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No. Some countries/companies may make you show a vaccine certificate and that is their right.
Gramaisc
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Good, I hope they do.
If people want to avail of the facilities of living in a society, they need to take part in that society,
Lucy
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I believe Saga Holidays are so far...
Cue
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Obviously you can’t, but I do think employers should be able to require a vaccine of employees that have been offered and refused one on any grounds that aren’t medical tbh. Because they put the actually vulnerable groups of staff at risk.
We shouldn’t pander to the anti-vax crowd based on bullshit. There’s certain care homes where staff have refused it with no medical grounds and quite frankly they should be taking a zero tolerance policy on that as it puts the residents at risk
Some people are waiting for more phase 4 data before they decide on the jab. At present we don't know if there are any long term negitive impacts of the jab. There is most likely isn't but we can't be 100% certain. Could it cause cancer in ten years time or heart attacks in 5 years time. Almost certainly no but until the long term follow up are completed we don't know for sure. Why have the vaccine makers insisted on immunity from prosecution if the risk is zero? AZ vaccine rollout has been temporarily halted in some countries due to blood clot risk. I currently plan to accept the vaccine but don't believe people should be forced to take a vaccine ether directly or indirectly. If one vaccine is"forced" on people then why not others like flu rubella polio diphtheria? Why not "force" other treatments on people? Where would the line be drawn?
Why allow opt-out on medical or any other grounds? why should other people be forced to accept an at present a theoretical risk an opt for any reason causes?
no jab no job is a comeback. no jab no shops cinemas etc is a come back. why should some people be exempt but not others? is this somewhere we want to go as a society?
will the virus know not to infect medical exempt but infect freedom of choice none vaccinated?
if this policy is introduced for covid why not flu polio diphtheria etc? where would the line be drawn?
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Gramaisc
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1, Because medical grounds are genuine grounds.
2, I don't understand the question.
3, No driving licence no job is a comeback - that's how society works. Some people should be exempt for genuine reasons. I would like to be exempt from needing a driving licence - any chance, do you think?
4, The virus will, obviously, not know that some unvaccinated people are medically exempt, but, widespread vaccination will generate genuine herd immunity, vastly lowering their risk.
I went to school; with loads of kids in leg irons and wearing hearing aids, etc., who would, I'm sure, have been happy to have been vaccinated first.
The Hawk
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I hope I'm wrong about it taking until 2022 before we can (mostly) put this pandemic behind us, but there are a few reasons why it may well be the case. For example:
- there is a significant likelihood we may need a booster jab next autumn/winter to deal with the 'problem' variants; and
- unless we are prepared to close the country to the outside world, we are likely to see many cases brought into the country, from abroad, at least until we can get most of the world vaccinated.
Cue
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Immunity from civil suits is not unusual for vaccines, the government is fronting the payout instead.
The blood clot thing is politics not medical safety, other countries have spent so long condemning the AZ vaccine that they have to look like they’re doing due diligence, not to mention you can’t have a supply issue if you don’t want that vaccine in the first place. They’ve basically organised a negative marketing campaign against the AZ vaccine to save face.
Not to mention the number of blood clots was in line with the general population, and given how many people we’ve jabbed it’d show up by now if it were a problem.
I’m sure if there was a major risk of severe illness and death with the other diseases you’ve mentioned then there’d be a big push by employers for vaccinations too. As it stands nurses on the OAP ward need to get a flu jab, so it’s hardly a new thing.
Mutations occur from transmission, not just sitting idle in a host. So the mutation rate ends up through the floor if 80% of the country is vaccinated as they have a reduced chance of transmitting it.
So far problem variants have been shown to be handled by the vaccine thankfully, but yeah you’re right we do need to keep on top of things. Thankfully the vector of vaccination was the most difficult part, modifying it is much quicker and easier. And I am rather hoping we see vaccine passports for bringing people in tbh
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SketchyMagpie
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SketchyMagpie
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Chatter I've heard when experts have been interviewed on the radio etc is that we'll probably need a booster shot every year for about the next 5 but who knows.
Will be interesting to see what time of time scale that would occur over given how impossible it was to get a flu jab last Christmas if you're under a certain age with no health conditions. I imagine it will probably take as long as it is taking to get everyone vaccinated this time?
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
Once the eligible have had their two doses of vaccine they will want to return to a near normal life as soon as possible, otherwise what is the point in having the vaccine. If they are held back because we can't disadvantage the twats who refuse a vaccine there is going to be hell to pay.
At present, there are no plans to give boosters to low-risk groups so if you dont currently get an annual flu vaccine you're unlikely to get the covid booster. but people in low-risk groups that don't qualify will likely be able to purchase a booster. prices are likely to fall somewhere between £10-£30 per booster.
to be fair we could go back to normal now, in Stafford 96% of the hospitalisation risk cohorts have excepted their vaccine. with uptake above herd immunity threshold in the UK in these groups. uptake is expected to be 80-90% of all eligible persons in the UK once the programme is complete.
the point in having the vaccine is to protect yourself from the negative health impacts of covid including a 0.3% death risk (population average). a positive side effect of the vaccine is herd immunity.
SketchyMagpie
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Hey cj1, apologies if my comment to you above was a little salty, I'm in a bad mood today. -.-
