Coronavirus.

[proactive]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/11/delta-variant-is-linked-to-90-of-covid-cases-in-uk

As soon as they get round to finally telling us what we all know; that there will be no end to restrictions on 21 June, then the spin is going to start that we need to have another lockdown, regardless of whether we've been vaccinated or not.

Lockdown to start once the Euros Finals have taken place anybody?

I hope I'm wrong but...

 

[Lucy]

If they release any more on 21st June then I think we'll be in lockdown. If we keep where we are now I don't think we will.

 

[littleme]

I hope they don't release everything on 21st, so many people still haven't had their 1st jab, and people who've had both are still catching covid.

Medium sized child (27) has his first jab next week, but eldest child (29) still can't get a jab, as he had covid in January & he's in Telford.

The footy will bring on another lockdown if bars are allowed to properly open on the 21st

 

[rudie111]

I think it needs to be delayed by at least a few weeks so we can see what the recent increase in cases does for hospital admission. We are told that the chain between cases/hospitalisations has been broken but there is a massive pool or unvaccinated/1st jab with minimal protection out there. But I am also conscious of delaying the unlocking and pushing a rise/peak closer to winter.

 

[Zylo]

As much as I want it too,I don't think anyone can expect the 21st of june lifting now, I'll be completely shocked if it does happen

Especially after the negativity towards Boris and co for how they've handled the pandemic, locking down too late etc etc not wearing masks for ages etc

 

[Lucy]

I don't think we really know how bad the hospitalisation rate is either, the cases have only ramped up over the last week or so and it takes longer than that to go in.

 

[SketchyMagpie]

Unfortunately, in the last few days the hospitalisations have begun to rise on a similar curve as the previous wave, as seen at the below link.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1402351586786037763?s=21

With today's news that the delta variant is 60% more transmissible and that 12 of the 42 people who died with it in the last month were fully vaccinated.... yeah, not looking great.

Still early days (of this wave), mind.

 

[proactive]

If they release any more on 21st June then I think we'll be in lockdown. If we keep where we are now I don't think we will.

I really, really hope you're right.

 

[Lucy]

I don't mean that we'll never be in lockdown again, just that we'll have a summer similar to last year (without the foreign holidays).

 

[Trumpet]

With today's news that the delta variant is 60% more transmissible and that 12 of the 42 people who died with it in the last month were fully vaccinated.... yeah, not looking great.

Bloody eckers. That's scary.

 

[littleme]

Bloody eckers. That's scary.

That's why I'm worried, worked all this time through it, had both my jabs, now I have all the symptoms.

 

[SketchyMagpie]

Oh I'm sorry littleme. It's still a very small number of people, try not to worry.

 

[Thehooperman]

Does anyone on here know of any decent pubs?

I knew some about 70 years ago.........................

 

[Cue]

Unfortunately, in the last few days the hospitalisations have begun to rise on a similar curve as the previous wave, as seen at the below link.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1402351586786037763?s=21

With today's news that the delta variant is 60% more transmissible and that 12 of the 42 people who died with it in the last month were fully vaccinated.... yeah, not looking great.

Still early days (of this wave), mind.

There’s a certain amount of context required with the delta variant though, and now it’s the majority of the spread covid in general…

We’re at incredibly low death numbers right now, and it stands to reason that those who are dying from it are likely to be the most vulnerable. So yeah… 12/42 being fully vaccinated makes sense as the death data is going to bias heavily towards those who have been fully vaccinated already, because those were the ones dying from it in the first place. It’s not 100% effective, it’s 95%ish, so yeah there’s still gonna be deaths from those fully vaccinated, but if this were something to be very worried about the deaths wouldn’t have fallen off a cliff.

Stay optimistic, nobody said being fully vaccinated makes you invincible, vaccines are always about the bigger picture and not the individual data points

 

[Thehooperman]

I just hope we don’t get a Sierra variant. It’ll probably make your bottom rot away.

Not to mention the Scouse variant.

Apparently it only affects women, makes them go bright orange, dance around their handbags and become total gobshites

 

[SketchyMagpie]

it stands to reason that those who are dying from it are likely to be the most vulnerable.

You're not wrong, though 7 of the deaths were also people who have only had one dose which suggests they were not in the "most vulnerable" category otherwise they'd have received both by now.

 

[Cue]

You're not wrong, though 7 of the deaths were also people who have only had one dose which suggests they were not in the "most vulnerable" category otherwise they'd have received both by now.

True, though we’ve only just reached week 12 for some of the vulnerable cohorts. Not to mention that does include people who barely have a functioning immune system for various reasons

 

[staffordjas]

My neighbour who works in Royal Stoke Hospital told me yesterday that they only have 9 covid patients in at the moment (as opposed to about 400 (can't remember the exact figure he said) back in January . All a lot younger than the previously more elderly patients as well , and none of them are on a critical ward. Says haven't even got the special covid wards at the moment in Stoke either, the covid patients are in various side wards.

So looks like the vaccines really are making a vast difference, especially to those who've already had the 2 doses.

 

[Gramaisc]

There’s a certain amount of context required with the delta variant though, and now it’s the majority of the spread covid in general…

We’re at incredibly low death numbers right now, and it stands to reason that those who are dying from it are likely to be the most vulnerable. So yeah… 12/42 being fully vaccinated makes sense as the death data is going to bias heavily towards those who have been fully vaccinated already, because those were the ones dying from it in the first place. It’s not 100% effective, it’s 95%ish, so yeah there’s still gonna be deaths from those fully vaccinated, but if this were something to be very worried about the deaths wouldn’t have fallen off a cliff.

Stay optimistic, nobody said being fully vaccinated makes you invincible, vaccines are always about the bigger picture and not the individual data points

For the AZ vaccine, it's more like 70% effective - leaving you with a 1 in 3 chance of still getting a 'good' dose.

 

[Cue]

For the AZ vaccine, it's more like 70% effective - leaving you with a 1 in 3 chance of still getting a 'good' dose.

Well effectiveness has many fronts doesn’t it? If you consider viral load to be 0-100%, the effectiveness could be viral loads up to 70% I guess? Could also be that 30% of people have something about them that means it doesn’t work, or that 30% of doses are duds

As it’s all based on essentially how many people catch it, get hospitalised, etc how that breaks down can take quite a lot of forms I would imagine. I’m not a virologist though…