Electric cars.

[The Hawk]

How do you suggest those in terraced houses, older flats and other pre charger communal living charge their cars? And don't people on long journeys require a petrol station stop to refuel? Why shouldn't electric cars be able to do the same?

I don't understand your logic.

We need to clean up the air for everyone's interest and health and one only needs to walk along any main road in Stafford in rush hour to know how urgent this is, you can literally taste the pollution cars, and it is mainly cars in Stafford, spew out. Some teething issues with electric vehicles is a small price to pay for our kids not having to breathe this poison

There are several options for those in terraced houses, flats etc. although few places outside of London have seen them rolled out yet. One option is the pop up charge points being rolled out by Urban Electric Networks, of which two such chargers (each for 2 vehicles) are being trialled in Stafford. Whilst the Stafford ones are in a public car park, elsewhere they are being installed in pavements.

 

[Jonah]

Current EV technology is akin to fossil fuel technology of the early 1900s - in its infancy. Anyone over the age of 60 probably won’t see EV technology in its prime, it’ll take a good couple of decades to improve I think. I await to be proved wrong though.

 

[Raven]

No EV technology is real slick even now & will only get better, if you have spent any time with a good EV then you would know.

As we are now talking about EV’s and how to charge them ………….

 

[kyoto49]

Current EV technology is akin to fossil fuel technology of the early 1900s - in its infancy. Anyone over the age of 60 probably won’t see EV technology in its prime, it’ll take a good couple of decades to improve I think. I await to be proved wrong though.

My brother has a Tesla. It's f*ckin boss! Where I work bought some LEVC vans, them f*ckin sh*te!

 

[Noah]

HGV’s will slowly become EV driven as they can already be driven over 400mls on one charge

Or we will go back to moving heavy goods by rail and use lighter electric vehicles for short delivery journeys from rail depots.

 

[Raven]

Or we will go back to moving heavy goods by rail and use lighter electric vehicles for short delivery journeys from rail depots.

No that will never happen & only for very limited bulk items.

 

[Jonah]

No EV technology is real slick even now & will only get better, if you have spent any time with a good EV then you would know.

As we are now talking about EV’s and how to charge them ………….

I haven't because I can't afford a Tesla... but what I meant was, despite what you say about EV technology being really slick, it really is still in its infancy. Hopefully future generations will see some really innovation with batteries etc.

 

[proactive]

I haven't because I can't afford a Tesla... but what I meant was, despite what you say about EV technology being really slick, it really is still in its infancy. Hopefully future generations will see some really innovation with batteries etc.

Tesla is arguably no longer class leading*. The big boys have caught up and are starting to produce some decent cars. Even our cheapo works MG5 estate EV is pretty good by petrol car standards.

Battery technology though is definitely still in its infancy, which is what I assume you meant.


*Except when it comes to the charging network. In the short term, at least.

 

[Gramaisc]

It may be cheaper now of course if you can charge “at home” but that is likely to change as smart meters can detect when that is going on and change the rate once our masters deem it so.

Would a 'smart' meter be able to detect that you are using the supply to charge a vehicle?

 

[Raven]

Would a 'smart' meter be able to detect that you are using the supply to charge a vehicle?

Yes I read that the new ones can easily do that.

 

[Gramaisc]

Yes I read that the new ones can easily do that.

Mmm, did it explain how the detect the end use?

 

[Raven]

I haven't because I can't afford a Tesla... but what I meant was, despite what you say about EV technology being really slick, it really is still in its infancy. Hopefully future generations will see some really innovation with batteries etc.

Neither can I & even if I could they are not my cup of tea, but I have been in & around them for a spell and with their charging system they simply wipe the floor with the opposition.

 

[Cue]

Mmm, did it explain how the detect the end use?

No because it’s bollocks.

They can’t tell the difference between my 3.3kw charger and me using the hob and oven at the same time. The only way they’d manage that is by actually wiring the charger into a separate circuit out of the meter, and that would require refitting all the just-fitted meters as they don’t have the capability to read two separate feeds.

There’s ways to use AI to identify devices in your home from the main feed but it’s nowhere near reliable enough to be legally allowed to be used for billing.

 

[Gramaisc]

No because it’s bollocks.

They can’t tell the difference between my 3.3kw charger and me using the hob and oven at the same time. The only way they’d manage that is by actually wiring the charger into a separate circuit out of the meter, and that would require refitting all the just-fitted meters as they don’t have the capability to read two separate feeds.

There’s ways to use AI to identify devices in your home from the main feed but it’s nowhere near reliable enough to be legally allowed to be used for billing.

A quick look suggests 'they' have made some attempts to persuade people that they can identify appliances by the back EMF, but, if people think they're going to charge me extra on that sort of evidence, they can piss right off. You could, perhaps, identify usage to some rather vague extent, but this would require calibrating each appliance in the house, and every new item introduced, and being honest, unless 'they' come round and do it for you, which seems unlikely and self-defeating.

The only real way, as you say, is a dedicated supply from the meter and people could still slow-charge, avoiding that. There is no way of dyeing the electricity, like red diesel.

You could make chargers, or cars, such they would identify themselves to the meter, but that seems unlikely at this stage in the proceedings.

 

[Cue]

A quick look suggests 'they' have made some attempts to persuade people that they can identify appliances by the back EMF, but, if people think they're going to charge me extra on that sort of evidence, they can piss right off. You could, perhaps, identify usage to some rather vague extent, but this would require calibrating each appliance in the house, and every new item introduced, and being honest, unless 'they' come round and do it for you, which seems unlikely and self-defeating.

The only real way, as you say, is a dedicated supply from the meter and people could still slow-charge, avoiding that. There is no way of dyeing the electricity, like red diesel.

You could make chargers, or cars, such they would identify themselves to the meter, but that seems unlikely at this stage in the proceedings.

TV vans all over again.

Nothing stopping me just using a 3-pin charger if they wanted to be stupid about it anyway. Good luck identifying that from a heater.

 

[timmo]

There are several options for those in terraced houses, flats etc. although few places outside of London have seen them rolled out yet. One option is the pop up charge points being rolled out by Urban Electric Networks, of which two such chargers (each for 2 vehicles) are being trialled in Stafford. Whilst the Stafford ones are in a public car park, elsewhere they are being installed in pavements.

Or you can do like some in Stafford and park the car against the garden wall or run an extension lead across the pavement which isn't a trip hazard in the dark.

 

[GNM67]

No that will never happen & only for very limited bulk items.

Tesco are doing this.
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...es-stay-stocked-despite-supply-chain-problems

 

[The Hawk]

Took my EV, on its first 'long' run, up to Barrow-in-Furness, yesterday (for the football). Parked up at Tesco in Barrow for the day (£3 via Horizon Parking) and recharged my car for 'free', ready for the return journey after the match.

 

[timmo]

Current EV technology is akin to fossil fuel technology of the early 1900s - in its infancy. Anyone over the age of 60 probably won’t see EV technology in its prime, it’ll take a good couple of decades to improve I think. I await to be proved wrong though.

I’m a little more hopeful- I think we’re looking in the next 10-15 years. Grid capacity might be the stumbling block over all else

 

[Cue]

I’m a little more hopeful- I think we’re looking in the next 10-15 years. Grid capacity might be the stumbling block over all else

If only we could use our own homes to generate electricity, the the government could provide some sort of financial assistance with that perhaps

Haha, if only