Electric cars.

AA Silencers

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They've looked at inductive charging systems for the few electric racing formulas that are available. It's a good idea but can't imagine what the infra structure would cost. It would be great if we had usable geothermal energy to create self powering localised 'energy cells' which could power areas of inductive tracks built into the road. Then we'd have genuinely clean transport. I still think the future lies with hydrogen cells though. That technology is still fairly primitive.
 

Gramaisc

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I wonder about the effects of continuous lane charging systems on the pacemakers of any cyclist or pedestrian who happens to pass along it with one fitted.

There is a sign on this door, by Gaol Square, that says 'No Entry to Pacemakers' - I wonder how much of the field leaks out into the highway..?
 

AA Silencers

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What about Gerry though?

Seriously, there will always be some downsides to these technologies. Cyclists should be ok so long as they don't put a foot down and earth out. Some people suggest that electric cars are dangerous as they're so quiet that pedestrians wouldn't hear them coming. If whenever a pedestrian got close to the road their fillings started to pick up Radio 2 and they're heart started beating like The River Dance then they'd remember to have a good look around before stepping out.
 

Gramaisc

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There was one of these Mega electric vehicles outside Wickes this morning, but I failed to buttonhole the driver.

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AA Silencers

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From what I've seen these get a lot of use a local service vehicles on the continent. Being English I would never say anything in favour of the French, but the truth is that many European countries put us to shame. Our infrastructure, transport systems and many of our domestic energy conservation systems are way behind theirs in a lot of ways.
 

andy w

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Even with a government subsidy of £5,000 electric cars are really expensive for what you get and they will require a much larger subsidy for a large scale take up. With public finances in such a bad state as they are this isn't going to happen and it seems electric cars are driving up the proverbial cul de sac.
That said with high cost of oil and the prospect of it going higher due to increased demand from developing countries, there is an urgent need to come up with a viable alternative. Does anyone know what the pros and cons of hydrogen powered cars are? Is it practical to produce hydrogen in large quantities and how would the cost of producing hydrogen powered cars on a large scale compared to oil driven and electric cars?
 

AA Silencers

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If we were starting from scratch and creating an infra structure around hydrogen it would be perfectly plausible. The biggest issue is getting hold of the hydrogen. There is plenty of it about and we can make as much as we want but it takes energy. There are plenty of renewable energy sources the can be used to harness hydrogen but launching something so large takes money. The only people with enough money are the oil companies, the very people who don't want their oil to be devalued by new technologies. New transporters, new fuel stations etc all at great cost which would be passed on to the relatively low volume user. Just like electric cars people can't afford the alternative and it fades away.
there are 2 current forms of viable hydrogen use in motor vehicles. One as a combustible fuel and one as a source of electrolytic reaction to power electric vehicles, sort of an on board fuel tank for batteries. Both have the same issues regarding infrastructure. It is possible to buy small hydrogen cells to add to your internal combustion engined car which it is said to improve economy and efficiency. In theory it looks good but having conducted test on the rolling road, real world fuel consumption and using wide band lambda readings in a series of vehicles in several different applications I'd have to say I haven't been able to see any consistent improvements from using the units. They do definitely produce hydrogen though so there must be some mileage in a proper system.
Ultimately I believe the market must adapt for alternative fuel cars. A 2 car family would probably find itself with an electric car for local journeys and a combustible fuelled car for longer journeys. Bio-diesel and bio-ethanol are also alternatives to hydrogen but again have similar problems. We have already done studies into bio-diesel and are currently registering with HM revenue and customs to allow us to acquire some ethanol for testing. At £3 a litre though it may be a while before the general public want to put it in their cars!
 

andy w

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Cheers AA for your input, got to agree with your comments as I looked up alternative fuels on wikipedia and came to the conclusion that all options are either expensive or are not practical for replacing petrol/diesel on a large scale. As you state bio fuels and ethanol are the easiest to produce and have the same qualities of petrol/diesel but the main drawback is the vast amount of farmland is needed to produce it on a large scale and competes with cash crops that increasingly offer big returns for farmers.
Over time technology will advance to offer a viable alternative to replace our reliance on oil but in the short to medium term focus will be on hybrids and more fuel efficent engines
 

AA Silencers

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The strange thing is there are much more effective ways to utilise a hybrid than are currently being used and there are much more efficient engines of sorts that never get explored. I think the fear is that if a manufacturer deviates too far away from what customers think 'a car' should be like then they might not sell.
 

AA Silencers

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Solar power tramps? I suppose with all the rain we're having this year it would solve the homeless problem in this country.
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
I see that there are two electric vehicle charging bays in the car park at the hospital - they are just where you turn left off the main drive to access the other car parks.

Where these two cars are in this old view of the area.
 

Trumpet

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ISO batteries and battery exchange stations would be a decent first step in the direction of making battery powered vehicle more viable for those who choose that route.
But who would take the first (expensive) steps towards setting up the infracstructure required.
Manufacturers could perhaps offer the facility at dealerships with reciprocal arrangements with other manufacturers.
Having said that I still don't think elecric cars are as green as some would like to make out.
 

Helen Goff

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What happens when we are short of electric power and having to get used to powercuts..

As the media have been predicting we can expect before long.
 
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