Examples of poor driving you have witnessed!

henryscat

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shoes said:
Since buying a bmw I've got used to not indicating, it's much less stressful letting others navigate around you....
I bet less people let you out of junctions......
 

henryscat

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cushT said:
Here here. Even if a few are so called rat running, what does that even mean? Leaving work I guess.
No, rat running is not "leaving work". Try Mr Google.


100s of people are working at Ariva on Fairway, are they all to go the long way round just because one or two selfish drivers don't like the fact they may get a cars length on them as they crawl up Queensville bridge!
Erm, no. If leaving Areva you could go straight down St Leonards Avenue, and come out on the lights. No distance added. Secondly, why don't you read posts properly before arguing back? In the example of Queensville Avenue, the issue isn't the speed you get up the bridge, it is the knock on effect back up the queue which reduces the efficiency at which the previous two junctions operate at. If you engaged your loaf, then you'd also work out that the changing of the St Leonards lights will cause a natural break in the traffic that people can use to pull out of Queensville Avenue in any case.
 

henryscat

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Floss67 said:
So to say you never let ppl out is selfish and inconsiderate to other road users!
I didn't say I never let people out. There are a small number of specific junctions that I don't.

Despite what you might think, I am as considerate as possible to other road users. I make extra effort to be considerate to pedestrians, cyclists and buses since it would appear that most people's idea of "considerate" driving only extends to other cars. For instance, I'm sick of people not letting buses pull out - keeping to Lichfield Road as an example, the ame ignorant sods who don't let the bus out of the layby opposite B&Q will then stop and let cars pull out further down - that does not make them considerate drivers.

Do you think rat running is considerate to residents and other road users?
 

cushT

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henryscat said:
cushT said:
Here here. Even if a few are so called rat running, what does that even mean? Leaving work I guess.
No, rat running is not "leaving work". Try Mr Google.


100s of people are working at Ariva on Fairway, are they all to go the long way round just because one or two selfish drivers don't like the fact they may get a cars length on them as they crawl up Queensville bridge!
Erm, no. If leaving Areva you could go straight down St Leonards Avenue, and come out on the lights. No distance added. Secondly, why don't you read posts properly before arguing back? In the example of Queensville Avenue, the issue isn't the speed you get up the bridge, it is the knock on effect back up the queue which reduces the efficiency at which the previous two junctions operate at. If you engaged your loaf, then you'd also work out that the changing of the St Leonards lights will cause a natural break in the traffic that people can use to pull out of Queensville Avenue in any case.
I read your post properly, & you are wrong. Quite clearly wrong. Queensville avenue traffic has little to no bearing on Lichfield roads already crawling traffic. If you closed Queensville avenue you would not go any faster along that road as you are stopped at every set of lights & the traffic is very heavy.

& who are you to decide what road Ariva workers drive down? or any other road user for that matter? The Lichfield road also has residents, as do a lot of Staffords roads, roads we can all use should we see fit. You sir are a selfish idiot.
 

henryscat

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cushT said:
I read your post properly, & you are wrong. Quite clearly wrong. Queensville avenue traffic has little to no bearing on Lichfield roads already crawling traffic. If you closed Queensville avenue you would not go any faster along that road as you are stopped at every set of lights & the traffic is very heavy.
No, indeed it wouldn't solve everything, but it would help. It is a fact (not an opinion) that road capacity is affected by the junctions along it - amongst other factors, but junctions are a big one. You will find no evidence to the contrary, and no, you haven't read my post properly.

who are you to decide what road Ariva workers drive down? or any other road user for that matter?
Quite clearly I am not deciding that. All I've said is that I think rat running is inconsiderate, and that at that junction I won't let people out. That does not amount to deciding who drives where. If people want to rat run, then what's wrong with expecting them to observe give way lines when they get to the exit point of their rat run?

The Lichfield road also has residents, as do a lot of Staffords roads
Yes, people live along roads, quite a revalation.
 

cushT

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henryscat said:
cushT said:
I read your post properly, & you are wrong. Quite clearly wrong. Queensville avenue traffic has little to no bearing on Lichfield roads already crawling traffic. If you closed Queensville avenue you would not go any faster along that road as you are stopped at every set of lights & the traffic is very heavy.
No, indeed it wouldn't solve everything, but it would help. It is a fact (not an opinion) that road capacity is affected by the junctions along it - amongst other factors, but junctions are a big one. You will find no evidence to the contrary, and no, you haven't read my post properly.

In crawling traffic I fail to see how letting cars out has ANY knock on effect on a road that is stopped at regular intervals with traffic lights. you are crawling, you will still be crawling. Contrary to what you believe, one does not have to stop or even slow to let someone out in such circumstances.

who are you to decide what road Ariva workers drive down? or any other road user for that matter?
Quite clearly I am not deciding that. All I've said is that I think rat running is inconsiderate, and that at that junction I won't let people out. That does not amount to deciding who drives where. If people want to rat run, then what's wrong with expecting them to observe give way lines when they get to the exit point of their rat run?

You won't let them out because of their road choice? You clearly have other ideas where you would rather them be. That much is clear in your posts. Including the back peddling ones!

The Lichfield road also has residents, as do a lot of Staffords roads
Yes, people live along roads, quite a revalation.
This is the basis of you entire argument, "Won't somebody think of the residents?" If i'm wrong about this what exactly is your beef with so called rat running?

My guess is you don't like the idea of other road users making slightly better progress than you.
 

Flibbertigibbet

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Oh my lord, if the most you have to worry about and bicker over is the state of 'traffic' in Stafford or any other place for that matter you must be very blessed.

At the end of the day it is the individuals choice whether or not to be considerate and patient, two virtues many do not possess.
 

cushT

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Flibbertigibbet said:
Oh my lord, if the most you have to worry about and bicker over is the state of 'traffic' in Stafford or any other place for that matter you must be very blessed.

At the end of the day it is the individuals choice whether or not to be considerate and patient, two virtues many do not possess.
You are right, It's futile. Nowt so queer as folk etc. In reality I care not how others go about their own business. Just how it should be ;)
 

phildo

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Of course, if we had a proper 'ring rd/by pass/relief rd' that allowed traffic to get from one side of town to the other then we wouldn't need to be arguing about rat running and letting each other out of side roads!

I quite often use Queensville Avenue on the way home as even with having to sit there for a good few minutes, it beats queing from near ASDA and right up Lichfield Rd. I could use St Leonards but they have those silly rows of speed lumps that catch both sets of wheels at opposing cambers, at least Queensville has normal speed bumps.
 

United57

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I've had to drive to Sheffield and back today for work. I let lorries pull out so they could overtake, I gave way to others at junctions, waited at the appropriate places and hopefully indicated correctly . I pulled over for an ambulance. I slowed down due to the winds on the M1.

Then I got back to Stafford. As usual somebody in an Audi comes down Forgate and instead of queing for chell road decides to cut infront of everybody.
 

phildo

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henryscat said:
I would place money that Lichfield Road would flow better if Queensville Avenue were made a no through route - or even better if St Leonards Avenue was. Once past the turn for Spittal Brook, the queue moves a lot better.
It moves better because at the roundabout by queens retail the traffic splits in 3 directions (A34/Silkmore/Retail park) therefore flowing better.
 

Toble

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Floss67 said:
Too many cars on thd road and not enough buses!
Don't make me bring the data on how car use cannot realistically increase anymore, nor the data on how bus companies are basically cutting their own throats. See also speed bumps, rat runs, parking, etc. Its all already been posted here too many times, and I don't drive anymore.
 

Floss

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henryscat said:
Floss67 said:
So to say you never let ppl out is selfish and inconsiderate to other road users!
I didn't say I never let people out. There are a small number of specific junctions that I don't.
Think u did say it! on more than one occasion! Tell you what, Why don't you use your loaf and read what you have written!




Admin edit: [quote] tags added.
 

Mikinton

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Floss67 said:
Henrys cat wrote

I didn't say I never let people out. There are a small number of specific junctions that I don't.

Think u did say it! on more than one occasion! Tell you what, Why don't you use your loaf and read what you have written!
Why don't you use your quote button and show us, Floss.
 

Admin

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Hi Floss67.

If you want to quote someone, just click the Quote link at the bottom-right of the post you want to quote. :)
 

Floss

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henryscat said:
I never let people out of Friars Terrace onto Wolverhampton Road as most (although I admit not all) are just rat running from Newport Road. The other annoying one is Queensville Avenue coming out onto Lichfield Road, I never let anyone out of there either - so many people stop to let rat runners out that it must be having knock on effects and having adverse impact on traffic flow.
!!!
 

Floss

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The point being you never let anyone out, whether one junction or two, it still seems harsh decision to make!
 

phildo

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Bleeding idiot for today was the Hyundai I10 that was in front of me at the lights near Holmcroft Rd on the A34 into town. The lights went green and he/she drove at about 10-15mph from there until near the common and then pulled away at about 40mph. This was the same Hyundai that had passed me on the A34 from stone doing over 70mph in the wet. There were 3-4 people in the car and the back seat passenger kept looking back.
 
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