charliem66
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did anyone get convicted?
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Murders in Stafford.
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Gramaisc
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The only convictions in relation to this event were for the obstruction of the inquest and the removal of the building society money, as covered in those links earlier.
charliem66
A few posts under my belt
y r police so incompetent? im sure its not hard 2 solve?
charliem66
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so annoyed, this was my moms best friend until she was 18 and mom moved 2 northern ireland, she has family still in oxford gardens, but has horrible memorys
charliem66
A few posts under my belt
do u know if any of the family r still round stafford?
charliem66
A few posts under my belt
thanks
charliem66
A few posts under my belt
was 93, my mom is the same age
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
She had teenage kids IIRC, maybe early twenties. I think they went to Graham Balfour but not positive.
As for police incompetence I don't believe it was murder, just an accident followed by some less than intelligent decisions by her very recent partner.
neverwhere
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BAILII doesn't appear to have any reference to Marian or Marion Alcock.
One of the earliest reference to a Stafford Crown Court murder is Regina v Ransford Delroy Nedrick
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/1986/2.html
I've searched 'Access UK & Ireland Newspapers' and 'UK Newsstand' available via the library, irishnewsarchive.com, The Jewish Chronicle and the Guardian + Observer digital archives but they don't produce any more results than the Independent articles posted. Daily Mirror 1903+ (http://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/) is also available via libraries but I don't belong to one that has a current subscription. The Times Digital Archive should also be available from some libraries.
http://gale.cengage.co.uk/home/telegraph-archive.aspx and http://gale.cengage.co.uk/daily-mail-historical-archive.aspx should also be available somewhere.
The William Salt Library archives for the Newsletter only go up to 1984 - http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/williamsalt/FindingRecords/GeneralRecords/home.aspx. I doubt that Stafford Library's collection will be any more recent.
You could try contacting Staffordshire Police under the FOI act - http://www.staffordshire.police.uk/info_advice/freedom_of_information/obtain/
Stafford Coroners Office - http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/community/lifeevents/death/Coroners-Office.aspx. I've know of instances where other coroners have released the post-mortem reports.
courtsnewsuk.co.uk - they cover the Crown Courts, so you could contact them to see if they have anything in their archives on Turley-maus or Alcock:
http://www.courtnewsuk.co.uk/courtnewsuk_service/
You might be able to get some information from the CPS - cps.gov.uk - see if they respond to an FOI request for anything from their case files.
National News - http://www.nationalnews.co.uk/ - used to supply Life Style Extra and when online they had some informative articles which you wouldn't find elsewhere, i.e. they didn't rely on others for copying content.
You could try searching the online newsfilm archives but the only two I'm familiar with - itnsource and JISC MediaHub don't have anything.
Turley-maus is a rare name, and there's only one reference on Ancestry, which is Leslie marrying in 1999. He may have had a sister born in 1988 named * Maus, mother's maiden name Turley. Their father may have served in the 16/5 Queens Royal Lancers until 1993, which is why I'm having trouble finding a birth certificate for Leslie.
Marian Ann O'Neill born 11 August 1954 Lichfield. Mother's Maiden Name Macintyre. Death Registered January 1996. Married Stephen Alcock 1974.
Possibly a sister - Catherine A O'Neill born July-September 1950 Macclesfield. Mother's Maiden Name Mcintyre. Possibly married Robert Gauntlett. Living in Stafford in 2002 - http://www.192.com/atoz/people/gauntlett/catherine/st17/3690048067/ - with Mary B O'Neill (Mary B Mcintyre married a Thomas O'Neill in Lancashire in 1950) - http://www.192.com/atoz/people/o'neill/mary/st17/383091888/. The husband Robert died in July 2007. Thomas O'Neill may have died in 1998.
There's no mention of her death in the probate calenders - probatesearch.service.gov.uk or the London Gazette.
One of the earliest reference to a Stafford Crown Court murder is Regina v Ransford Delroy Nedrick
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/1986/2.html
I've searched 'Access UK & Ireland Newspapers' and 'UK Newsstand' available via the library, irishnewsarchive.com, The Jewish Chronicle and the Guardian + Observer digital archives but they don't produce any more results than the Independent articles posted. Daily Mirror 1903+ (http://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/) is also available via libraries but I don't belong to one that has a current subscription. The Times Digital Archive should also be available from some libraries.
http://gale.cengage.co.uk/home/telegraph-archive.aspx and http://gale.cengage.co.uk/daily-mail-historical-archive.aspx should also be available somewhere.
The William Salt Library archives for the Newsletter only go up to 1984 - http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/williamsalt/FindingRecords/GeneralRecords/home.aspx. I doubt that Stafford Library's collection will be any more recent.
You could try contacting Staffordshire Police under the FOI act - http://www.staffordshire.police.uk/info_advice/freedom_of_information/obtain/
Stafford Coroners Office - http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/community/lifeevents/death/Coroners-Office.aspx. I've know of instances where other coroners have released the post-mortem reports.
courtsnewsuk.co.uk - they cover the Crown Courts, so you could contact them to see if they have anything in their archives on Turley-maus or Alcock:
http://www.courtnewsuk.co.uk/courtnewsuk_service/
You might be able to get some information from the CPS - cps.gov.uk - see if they respond to an FOI request for anything from their case files.
National News - http://www.nationalnews.co.uk/ - used to supply Life Style Extra and when online they had some informative articles which you wouldn't find elsewhere, i.e. they didn't rely on others for copying content.
You could try searching the online newsfilm archives but the only two I'm familiar with - itnsource and JISC MediaHub don't have anything.
Turley-maus is a rare name, and there's only one reference on Ancestry, which is Leslie marrying in 1999. He may have had a sister born in 1988 named * Maus, mother's maiden name Turley. Their father may have served in the 16/5 Queens Royal Lancers until 1993, which is why I'm having trouble finding a birth certificate for Leslie.
Marian Ann O'Neill born 11 August 1954 Lichfield. Mother's Maiden Name Macintyre. Death Registered January 1996. Married Stephen Alcock 1974.
Possibly a sister - Catherine A O'Neill born July-September 1950 Macclesfield. Mother's Maiden Name Mcintyre. Possibly married Robert Gauntlett. Living in Stafford in 2002 - http://www.192.com/atoz/people/gauntlett/catherine/st17/3690048067/ - with Mary B O'Neill (Mary B Mcintyre married a Thomas O'Neill in Lancashire in 1950) - http://www.192.com/atoz/people/o'neill/mary/st17/383091888/. The husband Robert died in July 2007. Thomas O'Neill may have died in 1998.
There's no mention of her death in the probate calenders - probatesearch.service.gov.uk or the London Gazette.
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somebody smith wasn't it, was Feb i remember, just down road from me, infact can see house
Withnail
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This was documented in real time* 'pon 'ere - it lead to one of the most vitriolic, and most difficult to read, posts ever posted here that didn't come from shoes**.
* not really in real time
** not the 'difficult to read' bit, the vitriol
shoes
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proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
Remember the thread but a search has produced nothing. Has it been removed?
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
Yes I found that, but it is missing the aforementioned vitriol.
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
Mmm, I thought that - I wondered if it was hidden in the coded message.
