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[Mudgie]

Leigh Ingham - "working hard for Stafford". That's a nice change from our previous MP.

 

[tek-monkey]

I wonder when this decision was made?

 

[joshua]

So where are all those folk who were going to be housed there be put up now ?

 

[Mudgie]

So where are all those folk who were going to be housed there be put up now ?

If a Labour government is processing them quicker that won't be an issue.

 

[tek-monkey]

If a Labour government is processing them quicker that won't be an issue.

Yup, the obvious solution all along. We pay more per day to Serco to house them than we pay the staff who process their forms, therefore more staff saves more money as well as reducing the accommodation needed. The tories kept the staff numbers low for a long time, only very recently deciding to actually process the forms in a timely fashion.

A cynical person may think that having so many asylum seekers in such visible places and then promising to be the party that gets rid of them would be an interesting tool to use against certain voters, actually processing the forms served no real purpose to them. It's interesting to see the decline in capabilities from 2016, I wonder what happened to make them be functioning at just 20% of that 5 years later?

 

[Lucy]

Common sense finally, process rather than vilify

 

[Noah]

If the previous government had recruited more caseworkers instead of putting the money in the pockets of their friends to house them in hotels, build barges and develop ridiculous schemes like Rwanda, then the backlog would never have built up to such a level.

 

[DeltaHotel]

So the tax payer is paying the site owner £60,000 per resident per annum . The site owner happens to be a hostile foreign state. It’s in the Parliamentary constituency of the former Defence Chief, and just happens to be adjacent to the police HQ and an Army base. And the locals are only worried about the location being near school playing fields. It’s enough to send you to The Grave

 

[tek-monkey]

Let's be honest, it being near a school isn't the real reason. Never heard the 60k figure before, where's that from?

 

[DeltaHotel]

Let's be honest, it being near a school isn't the real reason. Never heard the 60k figure before, where's that from?

It’s the going rate . Three year rolling contract

 

[tek-monkey]

It’s the going rate . Three year rolling contract

So it probably costs double to house someone than it does to pay the person processing their form?

If we very roughly say that each asylum seeker costs 1k/week, and that each case worker costs £500/week, and that each case worker makes one decision a week, then for each week they are employed they save us enough money to pay their wages the following week. They are, to all intents and purposes, free labour.

Once the forms are processed of course things don't end, if granted asylum (as most are) they still need support, but the crucial thing is they can now work. We have farmers begging for workers, admittedly because the jobs are usually shit and badly paid so brits won't do them, but they exist and asylum seekers are less likely to care where they end up. Sorted, now they're taxpayers too.

This all seems too simple?

 

[Mudgie]

So it probably costs double to house someone than it does to pay the person processing their form?

If we very roughly say that each asylum seeker costs 1k/week, and that each case worker costs £500/week, and that each case worker makes one decision a week, then for each week they are employed they save us enough money to pay their wages the following week. They are, to all intents and purposes, free labour.

Once the forms are processed of course things don't end, if granted asylum (as most are) they still need support, but the crucial thing is they can now work. We have farmers begging for workers, admittedly because the jobs are usually shit and badly paid so brits won't do them, but they exist and asylum seekers are less likely to care where they end up. Sorted, now they're taxpayers too.

This all seems too simple?

I'm sure that's all just about right.
But it suits others to portray them as "illegal immigrants" rather than "asylum seekers" thus making them the cause of all our problems and taking attention away from more important issues such as seriousness of the growing gap between rich and poor in Britain.

 

[Gramaisc]

You can use other people's money to buy votes for yourself and then keep the money.

 

[tek-monkey]

I'm sure that's all just about right.
But it suits others to portray them as "illegal immigrants" rather than "asylum seekers" thus making them the cause of all our problems and taking attention away from more important issues such as seriousness of the growing gap between rich and poor in Britain.

It's funny aint it, they're only illegal in the sense that we made it illegal for them to come into the country to start with, but also made it illegal to claim asylum unless they were in the country, and once they claim asylum they are no longer illegal. The only point they are doing anything illegal is between entering the UK and claiming asylum.

It would be much easier to fly in as a tourist and then claim, but we have some interesting stipulations there. You can't flee your country then come here, you have to come here directly from a country you are persecuted in. Try getting a visa to the UK from a country you aren't safe in, then get a direct flight to the UK! Although it seems more arrive by this route than boats anyway, just like more just forget to go home and disappear into the dark economy, but the asylum seekers are (deliberately) visible so easy to target.

 

[tek-monkey]

I'm sure that's all just about right.
But it suits others to portray them as "illegal immigrants" rather than "asylum seekers" thus making them the cause of all our problems and taking attention away from more important issues such as seriousness of the growing gap between rich and poor in Britain.

The sharp drop in effectiveness of our asylum applications correlates to the decision made that all EU people were the cause of all our problems, almost like they knew immediately that a new target was needed...

 

[joshua]

The sharp drop in effectiveness of our asylum applications correlates to the decision made that all EU people were the cause of all our problems, almost like they knew immediately that a new target was needed...

A government always needs an enemy (real or imaginary) as a distraction from it's own failings

 

[Gramaisc]

You can't flee your country then come here, you have to come here directly from a country you are persecuted in.

Mmm, that didn't work for the Syrians who left Syria and arrived in UK territory in Cyprus, without entering the territory of any other country first.

 

[tek-monkey]

Mmm, that didn't work for the Syrians who left Syria and arrived in UK territory in Cyprus, without entering the territory of any other country first.

Can you claim in any British territory, or just in Britain I wonder?

 

[Gramaisc]

Can you claim in any British territory, or just in Britain I wonder?

The SBAs in Cyprus are United Kingdom territory*, not colonies or dependencies or any of the other convenient distinctions that the UK uses about retained land in foreign parts.

At least the French class theirs as France, hence Brazil having the longest border with France - handy trivia point...


*They may have to gloss over some of the inconsistencies caused by Brexit now, of course...

 

[c0tt0nt0p]

The irony of it all is that it's not even in her constituency