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[John Marwood]

Why are there no chain gangs in the UK?

I think it'd be a great business idea for companies to apply for a criminal or two (providing their chains and security procedures meet or exceed criminal restraining standards) and get them to work for free. The incentive would be that they're not in prison.

...obviously this assumes my previous thoughts that prisons should be made to be places of terror and torture, rather than places that resemble slightly-upmarket youth hostels, as they are now.

Without doubt prisons are a place of terror , i can vouch for that, the terror comes firstly from other inmates because of the lack of discipline from the staff, then its the claustrophobia...if i were education secretary all ten year olds would spend 24 hours in a prison cell in a real cat c prison at sometime during the year.

 

[basil]

Why are there no chain gangs in the UK?

I think it'd be a great business idea for companies to apply for a criminal or two (providing their chains and security procedures meet or exceed criminal restraining standards) and get them to work for free. The incentive would be that they're not in prison.

...obviously this assumes my previous thoughts that prisons should be made to be places of terror and torture, rather than places that resemble slightly-upmarket youth hostels, as they are now.

Without doubt prisons are a place of terror , i can vouch for that, the terror comes firstly from other inmates because of the lack of discipline from the staff, then its the claustrophobia...if i were education secretary all ten year olds would spend 24 hours in a prison cell in a real cat c prison at sometime during the year.

I 2nd that Mr M, imagine an open day at HMP Stafford, the queue would be the lenghth of Crooked Bridge Road..... was there ever a bridge?.....

 

[Gramaisc]

Why are there no chain gangs in the UK?

I think it'd be a great business idea for companies to apply for a criminal or two (providing their chains and security procedures meet or exceed criminal restraining standards) and get them to work for free. The incentive would be that they're not in prison.

...obviously this assumes my previous thoughts that prisons should be made to be places of terror and torture, rather than places that resemble slightly-upmarket youth hostels, as they are now.

Without doubt prisons are a place of terror , i can vouch for that, the terror comes firstly from other inmates because of the lack of discipline from the staff, then its the claustrophobia...if i were education secretary all ten year olds would spend 24 hours in a prison cell in a real cat c prison at sometime during the year.

I 2nd that Mr M, imagine an open day at HMP Stafford, the queue would be the lenghth of Crooked Bridge Road..... was there ever a bridge?.....

There still is a bridge where the Sandyford Brook goes under, but it's more of a culvert these days.

 

[Gramaisc]

The new prison in Gibraltar had an open day - before it came into service.

 

[basil]

Without doubt prisons are a place of terror , i can vouch for that, the terror comes firstly from other inmates because of the lack of discipline from the staff, then its the claustrophobia...if i were education secretary all ten year olds would spend 24 hours in a prison cell in a real cat c prison at sometime during the year.

I 2nd that Mr M, imagine an open day at HMP Stafford, the queue would be the lenghth of Crooked Bridge Road..... was there ever a bridge?.....

There still is a bridge where the Sandyford Brook goes under, but it's more of a culvert these days.

I often muse the notion that maybe the bridge was poorly built and was crooked or it is a reference to it's close proximity the the big house....

 

[Gramaisc]

I 2nd that Mr M, imagine an open day at HMP Stafford, the queue would be the lenghth of Crooked Bridge Road..... was there ever a bridge?.....

There still is a bridge where the Sandyford Brook goes under, but it's more of a culvert these days.

I often muse the notion that maybe the bridge was poorly built and was crooked or it is a reference to it's close proximity the the big house....

There was a great deal of subsidence around that area, hence there are now no houses left in Sandyford Street, and it may be that the ( previous? ) bridge suffered deformation leading to a nickname that stuck...

 

[John Marwood]

Perhaps there is a saline solution

 

[Gramaisc]

I think the saline solution was the problem..

 

[My Name is URL]

if i were education secretary all ten year olds would spend 24 hours in a prison cell in a real cat c prison at sometime during the year.

I'm not sure the 10 year olds likely to offend would be terrified at the thought of a playstation, tv, three square meals per day and getting time away from their scummy parents though....

 

[Withnail]

Blimey - you've been inside too?

A forum full of felons.

 

[Gramaisc]

Blimey - you've been inside too?

A forum full of felons.

I will confess to having been inside, but only for a couple of hours. I was either side of thirteen at the time and was apprehended at gun-point - in fact, bayonet-point, which I remember thinking seemed rather quaint. My father and I spent a couple of hours in military custody and were released without charges. The time in the cell was certainly less stressful than the time spent being initially searched and questioned by a very twitchy chap with an SLR. His two companions were rather more amenable. The twenty minute journey back to their base, over dirt roads, was very entertaining - with me being 'held hostage' and my father following on his motorbike, being covered by Mr Twitchy lying on the back bench of the Land Rover that by this stage had no floor left, due to the radio batteries leaking during the emergency run to capture us.

It didn't take long to convince the Interrogating Officer that we were not PLO terrorists, when he finally arrived.

I had a few more armed detentions, but only for as long as it took to explain oneself. The one above escalated because they had buggered their radio and so couldn't get guidance on what to do with us, and there were NATO allies in the vicinity who needed to be impressed by the level of security they were being afforded.

 

[tek-monkey]

This is pure Daily Mail/Broken Britain drivel.

OK so most kids are awful (Except for the Middle Class Scout/Brownies types), all Teachers are inept, the Police are too busy and Parents are Crap. you've left out Religious leaders and Politicians.

I at no point said ALL kids are awful, nor did I say teachers are inept (god knows I know enough of them!), I agree the police are too busy, and I said a lot of parents are crap (again, not all).

Some kids are little scrotes, feel free to prove me wrong.

Teachers jump through so many hoops filling in paperwork etc. to meet stupid OFSTED targets that they hardly have enough time to actually teach, let alone get involved in the personal side of a childs development. I'll admit my experience is in FE, by which time most of the wasters are already quite obvious next to their less useless counterparts.

The police? Again paperwork. They don't get enough beat time to do much of a job, hence our need for so many plastic policemen.

Parents? Quite simply, some don't give a crap. Just this Thursday I saw a bloke walking a kid (I assume his daughter) to school drining a can of something or other Super. Wasn't tennants, gold can, but I digress. I know a girl who happily admits getting knocked up was to get a house, and she has a rather nice house TBH, which she pays feck all for. The kid was for monetary gain, that to me is a crap parent. I see it plenty, maybe I just live in a bad area but you can't tell me this doesn't exist.

Teachers are very much substitute parents - more so than the others in your list I would argue.

Why are they? Their job is to impart knowledge, and they see the kids for a small amount of time each per day. The upbringing of a child is a parents responsibility, not the state. If you are such a crap parent you expect the school to bring your child up, you need to have that child removed from you.

Absolutely everything my kids bring home from school in terms of information knowledge or wisdom is shot through with a prevailing morality - often much more explicit than they would get at home. At home it's passed on by example unless details are asked for- at school or Brownies or social clubs it's spelt out in big capital letters and reinforced through lessons, songs, emblems, sayings, mission statements etc. be Polite, be Tidy, be Honest, be Charitable etc etc.

And if that message once at home is do nowt, eat crap, leave a mess, expect others to do everything for you? Just because you see yourself as a good parent, doesn't make everyone else the same. The sort of people I am talking about, the very ones I grew up with, do not send their kids to scouts/brownies/social clubs. The kids sit in front of a TV or playstation, the parents are happy to get some piece.

The Police are responsible for keeping the community safe and I don't like the idea of having a hierarchy of crimes.

They would nab you for using a mobile when driving, or not displaying a tax disc, they would tell you to get off your bike in Market square - why shouldn't they challenge litterers or dog owners? How would this hinder the investigative work?

Then we need a ****load more cops, because at present people litter all the time, there is indeed dog crap about the place, and tossers on mobile phones when driving. I don't get tax disc evasion, it should be impossible in this day and age, but there you go. It stands to reason if you up the workload, you need more workers. I'd rather pay other people less money to just catch the people too dumb to park, the people too stupid to understand bins, and the people too unclean to realise dog crap is a problem. Then the police can track actual crimes, the ones where people are actually hurt, rather than worry about the smaller ones. Like it or not crimes are in tiers, there is a hierarchy. Thinking littering is akin to rape is a rather stupid standpoint.

We are way off topic now.

No one else seems to have a view - It nags me that these forums display a right wing bias all the time.

Funny, never used to think of myself as right wing. Hell, until the last election I'd only ever voted Labour! But the country has gone to the dogs, there is enough evidence on this forum alone. For example ask Lunar Scorpion how much better off she is working than claiming dole, its a joke. No wonder we're bankrupt! You're right though, I've gone right wing. And whats worrying is it doesn't bother me at all, I may even bring myself to vote blues next time

 

[Withnail]

It nags me that these forums display a right wing bias all the time.

I'm not entirely sure that this forum is one of these forums of which you speak.

Looking at our most recent experiment in Democracy the figures for forum users who responded to the Exit Poll were thus:

Con -21%
Lab - 41%
LD - 30%
Other (suspect more Green than BNP) - 6%

So over 70% of those who voted 'n' told were avowedly centre-left.

There does seem to be a curious "hang 'em flog 'em" tendency on this forum 'o' the Ford, but law 'n' order is not really a clear cut right/left issue.

But more to the point;

I may even bring myself to vote blues next time

 

[John Marwood]

if i were education secretary all ten year olds would spend 24 hours in a prison cell in a real cat c prison at sometime during the year.

I'm not sure the 10 year olds likely to offend would be terrified at the thought of a playstation, tv, three square meals per day and getting time away from their scummy parents though....

But at night the noise of the mentally ill screaming for hours may just stay in their memory a little longer than a Daily Mail headline

 

[Gramaisc]

mentally ill screaming ....... Daily Mail headline

No need for the tautology, John..

 

[tek-monkey]

Just this Thursday I saw a bloke walking a kid (I assume his daughter) to school drining a can of something or other Super. Wasn't tennants, gold can, but I digress.

It appears to have been Carlsberg Super Strength, I determined this on my way home by looking at empty cans in the gutter near the Co-op on Stone Road.

Forgive me father, I have had inpure thoughts.

 

[Withnail]

Forgive me father, I have had inpure thoughts.

Say three Hail Darwins and we'll forget all about it.

 

[tek-monkey]

Heil Darwin, Heil Darwin, Heil Darwin!

 

[db]

It nags me that these forums display a right wing bias all the time.

I'm not entirely sure that this forum is one of these forums of which you speak.

Looking at our most recent experiment in Democracy the figures for forum users who responded to the Exit Poll were thus:

Con -21%
Lab - 41%
LD - 30%
Other (suspect more Green than BNP) - 6%

So over 70% of those who voted 'n' told were avowedly centre-left.

There does seem to be a curious "hang 'em flog 'em" tendency on this forum 'o' the Ford, but law 'n' order is not really a clear cut right/left issue.

But more to the point;

I may even bring myself to vote blues next time

the irony of jenksie making lefty, incorrect, sweeping generalisations of the forum while criticising it for making incorrect righty, sweeping, generalisations gives me a stiffy.. one that bends slightly to the right

edit: oh, and as other people have said, you seem to think that anyone who is slightly more authoritarian than you is "right-wing".. the "left" and "right" nomenclature traditionally refers to economic positions, so stop dismissing anyone who doesn't eat tofu and read the independent as being "right wing"..

see here for some interesting stat's about users of this forum: http://www.staffordforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=2774

 

[tek-monkey]

Bit rushed as at work, but here's mine:

And I'm right wing apparently