Stafford / County Hospital.

markpa12003

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Just out of curiosity how many forumites turned up to the Stafford Hospital protest on Monday (12th Jan) at 6pm at Market Square, Stafford. I was there and I would estimate there were about 400 people in total.

For those that are interested, there is a facebook page called 'Support Stafford Hospital'. This page provides information about upcoming events / meetings and what is happening at our hospital. I'm afraid its worrying times!
 

Laurie61

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I did not go, was unaware of an event. Did you mention it on here ? Did MP, council, Ect attend ? :)
 

biccies

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I saw it on the news, which was the first I heard about it. The presenter cut off the chap that was talking in quite an abrupt way
 

markpa12003

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I only knew about it because I follow the Facebook page and I only found out on Monday! No MP turned up. The protest was organised in order to let the councillors know the level of anger towards the downgrading of the hospital and to try and force SBC to take some action.

The protest took place before and during a council meeting.
 

wildwood

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I knew nothing about it until a friend posted on twitter from the event. Sure many more would've turned up if it was publicized better.
 

markpa12003

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From what I've managed to obtain from the FB group the organisers of protest were only made aware of the Council meeting a couple of days prior. In order to spread the message quickly they used fb and twitter. I have no idea if the organisers are on this forum, however it would be worthwhile in future posting on here as well. If I see any important announcements I will post them on here.
 

Libzz

A few posts under my belt
I turned up to make some noise last Monday (12th Jan), I was unaware until my mother informed me (she is a Facebook user) and asked her to keep me informed of any other support needed. Mother has emailed me the following info also sourced from Facebook.

Come and make some noise :grr:
:stafford:

Post from Support Stafford Hospital page on Facebook:

University Hospitals of North Midlands NHS Trust Accountability Session, Healthy Staffordshire Select Committee
Right guys there is another meeting on this coming Monday the word is Mr Hackett will be there to answer questions I am sure we have loads? Please promote this event on face book w by inviting all your friends and ask them to do the same? We had 700 folk there last Monday lets get 1000 this time we need to keep the pressure up it was reported 57 people have lost their lives in the East Midlands because they couldn't get to hospital in time .....so it's not to late to get your voice heard........go people of Stafford. ....... Spread the word
Monday, 19th January, 2015 5.00 pm

The meeting is in county buildings and I think you may need to book However we are needed to make some noise outside Some folk will be meeting in the market square at 4 pm if you prefer but others may go straight to county buildings

 

Tumble weed

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The thing about demand is a funny one, if a service hasn't been given for a number of years, ie, the over night a+e service, that demand eventually disappears as people get used to the idea that it doesn't exist.

Even if it did return, I'm guessing most accidental cases would still drive to neighbouring hospitals as they'd be under the assumption that Stafford a+e is closed, meaning the only people using the services would be emergency workers.


Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting her , I feel it should be returned, I just don't feel it'd ever be as busy as it used to be .
 

Gareth

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I have an aunt who worked at Stafford until 2015 and a friend that did until last year. They have always said there is not enough demand in Stafford for an overnight a&e for at least 15 years.

Though going back a few years my aunt often said there would one or two into a&e overnight, especially weekdays. That is a crazy low figure. Services cannot and should be supported with those numbers which is what this is about.

Residents of Stone predominantly visit UNHS and ambulances have been taking casualties there from Stone for years even before the Stafford closure.

Demand is not determined by the amount of people (or lack of) knocking on the closed doors at Stafford, it is determined actual statistics of where people reside when they visit a hospital.

With more houses coming does that need to change in the future, but it seems for now maybe not. Yes, going to stoke overnight is a worry and inconvenient for some, but those numbers seem to be very small.

There are other services I think should certainly be pulled back and staffed properly at Stafford should as births and stoke cannot cope which is putting people at risk. With an ever expanding town and a service and care that was supposed at the top of its game before, this is needed. So long as it is run, staffed and funded properly. The area could not take failings like before.
 

Theresa Green

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Why can't management ever get it right here?
Because people who think they are intelligent, and have voted in a Conservative Government for the last 12 years are actually born again Cretins

Cretins, surrounded by and contributing to Cretinous behaviour, en masse

Everywhere

Non specific

Thick as pigshit is Great Britain

Lard arsed lazy brained subservient slack jawed sheep

Lemmings have more intelligence than the your average Brit

If only we had more cliffs

Instead of shadows

We could all go on a summer holiday
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
Because people who think they are intelligent, and have voted in a Conservative Government for the last 12 years are actually born again Cretins

Cretins, surrounded by and contributing to Cretinous behaviour, en masse

Everywhere

Non specific

Thick as pigshit is Great Britain

Lard arsed lazy brained subservient slack jawed sheep

Lemmings have more intelligence than the your average Brit

If only we had more cliffs

Instead of shadows

We could all go on a summer holiday
I'm not going to disagree on your view of the conservatives but let's not forget the whole misery that was the Stafford hospital saga was under Labour's watch.
 

gilesjuk

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I'm not going to disagree on your view of the conservatives but let's not forget the whole misery that was the Stafford hospital saga was under Labour's watch.

I was told the whole story of Mid-Staffs by a former work colleague whose wife worked somewhere in the public sector.

Foundation status was the aim of Mid-Staffs, it's akin to Academy status for a school. They get full control over their budget etc if they can demonstrate financial competence.

Given a lot of trusts run a deficit which is all down to the local mix of treatments required, their costs and how much they will get paid via the national tariffs (the price the government pays them for carrying out medical procedures, which is fixed and often below actual costs), the trust had to make cost savings to gain foundation trust status.

Guess how you make cost savings? you reduce the staffing levels on the wards in hospitals. So they got their foundation status, but at a huge cost of human life. People didn't even get the basics like water to drink, people were drinking out of vases.

This happened under Andy Burnham, which is why I find it laughable people think he'll be a future Labour leader or PM. In parliament after Labour left government he was always asking questions about the contaminated blood scandal in the 1980s because he wanted to give the Tories a good kicking, while not giving any notice to his own scandal.

Just think what would have happened had Labour have not introduced foundation status in 2003.
 

Glam

Mad Cat Woman
I was told the whole story of Mid-Staffs by a former work colleague whose wife worked somewhere in the public sector.

Foundation status was the aim of Mid-Staffs, it's akin to Academy status for a school. They get full control over their budget etc if they can demonstrate financial competence.

Given a lot of trusts run a deficit which is all down to the local mix of treatments required, their costs and how much they will get paid via the national tariffs (the price the government pays them for carrying out medical procedures, which is fixed and often below actual costs), the trust had to make cost savings to gain foundation trust status.

Guess how you make cost savings? you reduce the staffing levels on the wards in hospitals. So they got their foundation status, but at a huge cost of human life. People didn't even get the basics like water to drink, people were drinking out of vases.

This happened under Andy Burnham, which is why I find it laughable people think he'll be a future Labour leader or PM. In parliament after Labour left government he was always asking questions about the contaminated blood scandal in the 1980s because he wanted to give the Tories a good kicking, while not giving any notice to his own scandal.

Just think what would have happened had Labour have not introduced foundation status in 2003.
My lovely Mum died 15½ years ago up the DGH. Funny how a name change seems to make it all better, isn't it?
She arrived up there one evening by Ambulance. I can't honestly say what she went in with. During the course of the 3 weeks she was in, she developed Pnuemonia, she also had Bronchitus. She eventually became so poorly, she couldn't walk, so a catheter was inserted. My memory is a bit blurred as to what ward she went on, bit like my eyes right now remembering everything.

To start with, she was able to sit up and have a cup of tea and a natter, but as the Pnuemonia took hold, she had to be given oxygen to help her breathe. She lost her appetite, so to try and get her to at least eat something, I would take her favourite cakes in, these she managed after a fashion. Along with a cup of NHS tea, she was managing. Eventually she stopped eating and drinking by herself due to being so poorly. All diet,fluids and medications were put on the over the bed table and left for patients to ''do it themselves''.

I was working in St.Georges kitchen at that time, so would finish at 3pm everyday and walk up the DGH and stay till the end of visiting. I think myself and my sisters were the only ones giving my Mum personal care, When she could walk, we'd help her have a shower etc. Then when she had difficulty, one of us would give her a full wash while on the bed. I even had to empty the catheter every time I went up, due to it being overflowing. The one time I mentioned it to a member of staff, he brought what looked like a washing bowl and emptied it into that.

Underneath her bed were used dressings - plasters etc. ECG stickers, fluff and dirt, the same stuff was under that bed when she passed away 3 weeks later. I knew the head of Housekeeping, due to her working at St.Georges at one time. So I rang her and made a complaint. She happened to be on holiday. She finally got back in touch about two weeks later, saying that she had just been up to the ward and that under the bed was spotless. Told her it would be, Mum had been gone for 2 weeks.
No, there weren't enough staff to cope, still isn't, their Agency/Bank Nurse expenses must be astronomical.

If I didn't have to go up there in the course of my job, I wouldn't.
Would I like it closed and demolished, not now, but I would have gladly laid the dynamite 15½ years ago.
 

staffordjas

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I was in for a major op at the time of the 'Stafford Hospital Scandal'. I gave evidence of my findings to the Julie Bailey case.
The only way I got any attention was when my neighbour was on the desk in my ward and I was able to shout across to her to get someone. A couple of the nurses were really lovely and tried their best , but colleagues were telling them not to do that or it would be expected from all of them.
The bank staff at night were really vile and lazy. One came over to give me an injection which was on her list in the middle of the night , I argued that I didn't think I should be having one and the young girl opposite me, who was awake and luckily had her marbles , shouted to her that "Isn't that mine??" The other old patients in my bay were just being ignored in their requests for help, I was trying my best to help them when I was eventually allowed out of bed to go to the loo as they were in tears. One young male bank nurse , who only spoke to me probably because I was younger so I found out his name and that went down on my evidence, sat at the desk all night and completely ignored shouts for help.
One elderly patient was french and they made her life hell making out they couldn't understand her (I could work out her sign language) . I told her son when he came over from france to see her and he got her moved out to somewhere else that day.
The toilets had lots of other people samples just sitting there stinking on the floor. I asked what to do with my cardboard bowl thing that I had to take in with me the one time ..."Just put it on the floor". They were all there the next day!
 

gilesjuk

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My lovely Mum died 15½ years ago up the DGH. Funny how a name change seems to make it all better, isn't it?

The name change was obviously because they couldn't recruit, who would want Stafford hospital on their CV after it being featured in the national news?
 
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