Stafford Traffic.

[c0tt0nt0p]

Heard from a mate earlier, apparently “some traffic lights” were stuck on red somewhere up that way. He didn’t have any more details, he heard from someone who’d been stuck that way.

I'd be amazed of that was the issue. The Hough retail park, the nearby roundabout and the crossroads on Lichfield Road by the vets don't do well when there is a high volume of traffic. Lord help us when the housing goes in at the demolished GEC site behind b&q

 

[Thehooperman]

Id be amazed of that was the issue. The Hough retail park, the nearby roundabout and the crossroads on Lichfield Road by the vets don't do well when thee is a high volume of traffic. Lord help us when the housing goes in at the demolished GEC site behind b&q

I got stuck at the roundabout today for a good 10 minutes when the traffic backed up from the traffic lights and this nobber couldn't wait to allow me and about 6 cars behind me to turn right on the roundabout to head south on the A34.

Some people have got no concept that being considerate to other road users heading in the opposite direction won't delay them.

 

[proactive]

I got stuck at the roundabout today for a good 10 minutes when the traffic backed up from the traffic lights and this nobber couldn't wait to allow me and about 6 cars behind me to turn right on the roundabout to head south on the A34.

Some people have got no concept that being considerate to other road users heading in the opposite direction won't delay them.View attachment 10070

It's a Nissan Joke, what do you expect? They are always ALWAYS driven by total arseholes.

 

[littleme]

Traffic was horrendous today around 4.45pm on the way into town, it must have taken at least 20 minutes to drive from common to town. Avoid at peak tines (we're in Lockdown, why are there still peak times?)

 

[c0tt0nt0p]

Traffic was horrendous today around 4.45pm on the way into town, it must have taken at least 20 minutes to drive from common to town. Avoid at peak tines (we're in Lockdown, why are there still peak times?)

That's the thing... It's a lockdown in name only... People stretching the extremely loose boundaries that have been thrown at them by Boris and co....

 

[Glam]

Followed a BMW knob this morning for a good half a mile. (WP65NPD) Not once did he/she/it use any indicators. Think he/she/it needs to go back to their driving lessons and find out how to use a roundabout properly too.

 

[Mudgie]

Followed a BMW knob this morning for a good half a mile. (WP65NPD) Not once did he/she/it use any indicators. Think he/she/it needs to go back to their driving lessons and find out how to use a roundabout properly too.

It needs full driving tests every ten years for ALL drivers.
With a deficit now of £355 billion I doubt if it'll be long before the government realises that up to £7 billion a year might be raised if there was an annual fee for the driving licence equivalent to that for the TV license.

 

[cj1]

Maybe a more targeted approach where every driving conviction leads to a retest however minor. 10 years is. Along time for a bad driver to remain on the road. A driving conviction is proof your driving is below the minimum standard. And doesn't burden the good drivers. With unnecessary tests and may encourage the bad drivers to up there game. This strategy would lead to 2.4 million retests a year but would hopefully reduce as the bad drivers are weeded off the roads.

 

[Mudgie]

Maybe a more targeted approach where every driving conviction leads to a retest however minor. 10 years is. Along time for a bad driver to remain on the road. A driving conviction is proof your driving is below the minimum standard. And doesn't burden the good drivers. With unnecessary tests and may encourage the bad drivers to up there game. This strategy would lead to 2.4 million retests a year but would hopefully reduce as the bad drivers are weeded off the roads.

But "every driving conviction leads to a retest however minor" doesn't solve the problem as the worst drivers tend to cause accidents rather than be involved in them themselves.
In no way is avoiding a driving conviction commensurate with being a "good driver". .

 

[Gramaisc]

Maybe a more targeted approach where every driving conviction leads to a retest however minor. 10 years is. Along time for a bad driver to remain on the road. A driving conviction is proof your driving is below the minimum standard. And doesn't burden the good drivers. With unnecessary tests and may encourage the bad drivers to up there game. This strategy would lead to 2.4 million retests a year but would hopefully reduce as the bad drivers are weeded off the roads.

People will just 'drive for the test' during the test, as largely happens now, then go straight back to driving as they normally do, and are normally allowed to, in general.

Enforcement on a regular basis is far more important and effective method than a largely bureaucratic exercise of very limited effectiveness.

It doesn't matter as much, now that Brexit has buggered up the use of UK licences by those holders resident in other countries, but, until recently, this proposed 10 year retesting system would have invalidated licences being used by people living 'on the continent' and with no easy access to a UK test centre.

 

[proactive]

Maybe a more targeted approach where every driving conviction leads to a retest however minor. 10 years is. Along time for a bad driver to remain on the road. A driving conviction is proof your driving is below the minimum standard. And doesn't burden the good drivers. With unnecessary tests and may encourage the bad drivers to up there game. This strategy would lead to 2.4 million retests a year but would hopefully reduce as the bad drivers are weeded off the roads.

Rubbish.

 

[proactive]

But "every driving conviction leads to a retest however minor" doesn't solve the problem as the worst drivers tend to cause accidents rather than be involved in them themselves.
In no way is avoiding a driving conviction commensurate with being a "good driver". .

Spot on.

 

[cj1]

But "every driving conviction leads to a retest however minor" doesn't solve the problem as the worst drivers tend to cause accidents rather than be involved in them themselves.
In no way is avoiding a driving conviction commensurate with being a "good driver". .

No but it shows where a driver falls below the legal minimum standard. The legal minimum is very different to a "good driver" the bar is lower. Driving convictions tent to lead to higher premiums as these are the drivers most likely to generate claims. Retraining and testing these individuals would lead to fewer drivers on the road who's standard falls below the legal minimum. Is it fair to force a financial burden on everyone due to the driving standards of the few with a mandatory 10 year test?

 

[Mudgie]

No but it shows where a driver falls below the legal minimum standard. The legal minimum is very different to a "good driver" the bar is lower. Driving convictions tent to lead to higher premiums as these are the drivers most likely to generate claims. Retraining and testing these individuals would lead to fewer drivers on the road who's standard falls below the legal minimum. Is it fair to force a financial burden on everyone due to the driving standards of the few with a mandatory 10 year test?

It shows that a driver has ONCE fallen below the legal minimum standard AND been caught.
It gives no indication of a driver regularly, maybe a dozen or more times a day, falling below the legal minimum standard and getting away with it.

 

[cj1]

But everybody is innocent until proven guilty. Every driver has already proven they can drive to a legal minimum in order to be granted a full licence and have a legal duty to maintain that standard. Retests should only be for those who it's been proven are not maintaing that minimum legal standard.

 

[Lucy]

It isn't a god given right to drive, the laws of how it works can change, and have done with theory and hazard perception tests.

 

[Mudgie]

But everybody is innocent until proven guilty. Every driver has already proven they can drive to a legal minimum in order to be granted a full licence and have a legal duty to maintain that standard. Retests should only be for those who it's been proven are not maintaing that minimum legal standard.

So are you really suggesting that all motorists driving dangerously or recklessly and/or well above the speed limit are INNOCENT unless they've been PROVED guilty ?
We each proved that we could drive to a legal minimum many years ago but there's many things we could do proficiently when young but not when old.
If you still "can drive to a legal minimum" you've nothing to worry about with a test every ten years.

 

[Thehooperman]

But everybody is innocent until proven guilty. Every driver has already proven they can drive to a legal minimum in order to be granted a full licence and have a legal duty to maintain that standard. Retests should only be for those who it's been proven are not maintaing that minimum legal standard.

All they've proven is that they can pass the driving test which doesn't mean they can drive safely. This could be, as in my case, several years ago and to different standards.

I think some form of regular retest/ course is a good idea even if just forces drivers to learn what the current legislation is.

What's wrong with renewing your driving competency on a regular basis?

 

[Gramaisc]

I think some form of regular retest/ course is a good idea even if just forces drivers to learn what the current legislation is.

I can recall having to explain why the amber lights were flashing on the Wolverhampton Road crossing, as you come off the island.

"Well, I never knew that!"

This would be about six years ago. My assurance that it was fairly new in 1970, but was common by1980, was not believed.

 

[BobClay]

About four years ago I was done for speeding on the M5 via a speed camera. At 4am in the morning near Sedgemoor I was doing 58 mph through a 50 mph limit roadworks although the motorway was quiet and nobody was working. However ... fair cop !! I was offered the choice of penalty points or a 'Speed Awareness Course' which I chose.
I have to say I did learn quite a lot from the one morning course, not the least of which was that the highway code was no longer a pamphlet as I remembered it, but a bloody Tolstoy Novel !!! I can't deny I appreciated the course as much of my knowledge was out of date. Even though it was only for a few hours.

I did ask why I got done, and the BMW drivers going past me at Warp Factor 10 weren't there. 'They don't get the choice,' they replied. 'They get the points or worse.'