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The moral argument of eating meat & dairy
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tek-monkey
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Yeah, cos pastry has no calories 
Gramaisc
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Elsewhere in our august Forum - in the Stafford Ale House thread - it has been suggested that there might be an option of chips with the pies. Well, there has been a pre-emptive strike in Gloucester..
Stop being so pedantic, you know what andy w meant!
Miss Red
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Too much red meat not good - too many pies not good either lol...........i used to work in a bakers, the manager their would have pasty for breakfast, pasty for dinner and then take pastys and pies home for tea.......she wasnt fat at all inface quite slim, but she had terrible stomach pains and bowel probs most days!
henryscat
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No, it isn't pedantic... A vegetarian diet includes dairy and eggs which aren't particularly good for you. For example - cheese is high in fat, eggs are high in cholesterol.
Nations that consume the most meat and dairy are also the nations with the highest obesity rates.
Give me credit to know the difference between vegan and veggie. I would have thought not having dairy products would be more healthy but just like a meat free diet there must be issues with a balanced diet esp. protein. I am sure there is a thread on here discussing veggie/vegan.
Granted too much meat is unhealthy but the same could be said of excessive consumption of other food groups such as sugars
tek-monkey
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Things with faces as main meals, things without as a side dish or garnish. Simples.
Gramaisc
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tek-monkey
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If we could vote our MPs into the pot then yes, I'd promote cannibalism.
Rikki
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I would guess they are also the nations that consume the most fatty and sugary processed foods. Which I would again guess make up a much bigger proportion of the average obese persons diet than meat and dairy do.
tek-monkey
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Agreed, its a pointless comparison as the figures cant be proven to be linked. No different to the global warming vs pirates comparison, makes PETA look like pillocks to make it.
EDIT: Plus vegetarian farts are rank
EDIT: Plus vegetarian farts are rank
henryscat
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Then you'd be wrong.
tek-monkey
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Prove it.
tek-monkey
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Its your thread, back up your post.
Meat is not in itself a cause of obesity, unbalanced diets and processed food are. There are many very healthy meats and fish, much healthier than a vegan diet that misses a lot of required nutrition. I have met many fat veggies/vegans and many slim carnivores, so how does that mean meat causes obesity? I myself eat predominately meat, yet at my fattest only hit a 32" waist (back to 30" now but it fluctuates!).
Unless you can do a controlled test where every part of a diet/lifestyle is the same apart from one eats meat protein and another eats fungus, and you use a large test group to do so, then you cannot prove a link exists. Science relies on proof, without it you just have a guess.
EDIT: I fancy a burger now
Meat is not in itself a cause of obesity, unbalanced diets and processed food are. There are many very healthy meats and fish, much healthier than a vegan diet that misses a lot of required nutrition. I have met many fat veggies/vegans and many slim carnivores, so how does that mean meat causes obesity? I myself eat predominately meat, yet at my fattest only hit a 32" waist (back to 30" now but it fluctuates!).
Unless you can do a controlled test where every part of a diet/lifestyle is the same apart from one eats meat protein and another eats fungus, and you use a large test group to do so, then you cannot prove a link exists. Science relies on proof, without it you just have a guess.
EDIT: I fancy a burger now
tek-monkey
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http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/obesity.aspxPETA said:
10-20 pounds does not an obese person make, and weight is not explicitly linked to health. Besides which they will categorise all the junk food eaters as carnivores, forgetting (quite deliberately) that most meat eaters do not live at Greggs.
henryscat
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The key words there are "on average". An difference in averages of that scale is pretty significant.
It isn't just meat consumption that's relevant - it's dairy and eggs too.
Weight is linked to health. If you are overweight or obese, that is by definition unhealthy.
henryscat
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Nope, the challenge is on meat and dairy munchers to justify their animal consumption.
It is a big part of it. And dairy.
No there aren't. Some meat or fish is possibly healthier than another, but they are not in themselves "very healthy".
Specifically which nutrients are they?
On the subject of nutrients a lot of people consuming meat and dairy are vastly overconsuming certain nutrients. For example, a lot of people who consume dairy are taking in far too much calcium.
Does people you have met constitute a statistically significant sample? I would say not. Don't lump veggies and vegans together either. Whilst in general a vegetarian diet is healthier, vegetarians are still consuming dairy which is not healthy and still consuming eggs full of cholesterol.
If the first part of that statement is factually correct, then regardless of waist size your diet is not balanced.
There's no shortage of such scientific studies. Go and read a few..... I'm sure you can use a search engine as well as I can.