Gramaisc
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Part of Ben Bradshaw's evidence to the enquiry was that he was greatly surprised at how long it took for vociferous complaints to emerge.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-14826934
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Withnail
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I had that Ben Bradshaw in the back of my cab, metaphorically speaking, once.
One thing that has struck me today has been the disconnect between the 'it would serve no purpose to identify individuals' line of Inquiry, with the *if people do bad things they must be punished*, sort of thing.
So to sum up for the jury - in future, what happened in the past will be criminal, but in the present it would serve no purpose to act as if it were the future.
But if it was the future, what happened in the present will be criminal, unless it happened in the past. In which case it... er ... won't.
Or will it? I'm easily confused.
One thing that has struck me today has been the disconnect between the 'it would serve no purpose to identify individuals' line of Inquiry, with the *if people do bad things they must be punished*, sort of thing.
So to sum up for the jury - in future, what happened in the past will be criminal, but in the present it would serve no purpose to act as if it were the future.
But if it was the future, what happened in the present will be criminal, unless it happened in the past. In which case it... er ... won't.
Or will it? I'm easily confused.
John Marwood
I ♥ cryptic crosswords
From the Daily Telegraph today
A midwife at the Mid Staffordshire NHS Trust dragged a partly-naked patient out of a bathroom and told him: “You are no longer a human being but an animal,” a misconduct hearing is to be told
Bonka Kostova also shouted “I hate you” at the 73-year-old man, who suffered from Parkinson’s disease and Alzheimer’s, it is alleged.
Another nurse at the trust, which is at the centre of the biggest scandal in the history of the NHS, is to face a hearing accused of poor standards of care relating to four patients, one of whom was twice refused help to go to the lavatory.
It is the first time details of allegations faced by 10 nurses at Mid Staffs have been made public.
Two other nurses have been found guilty of misconduct after multiple failures but have been allowed to continue practising, while another nurse has been placed under an interim suspension.
The chief nursing officer, Jane Cummings, told The Daily Telegraph that there are nurses still treating patients who “have no place in the NHS” because they “do not have the capacity to be compassionate”.
It also emerged that Labour ministers and health officials were warned more than four years ago by President Barack Obama’s health adviser that patient care was being neglected at NHS hospitals.
An 84-page report by Dr Donald Berwick, which was not published at the time, said the NHS did not pay enough attention to patient care because it was too focused on targets.
Ten nurses from Mid Staffs are currently awaiting disciplinary hearings, nine of whom are still working in the NHS.
The tenth, Janice Harry, is subject to an interim suspension order.
Next week the Nursing and Midwifery Council will hear the case of Bulgarian-born Bonka Kostova, who is accused of abusing an unnamed patient at Stafford Hospital in July 2010. The registered midwife, who was working in Ward 6 as a health care support worker, is accused of “using her body weight” to push the patient into a bathroom and on to a lavatory, then “pulled him out of the bathroom in a state of undress”.
When another nurse tried to intervene, Miss Kostova allegedly “raised her voice and/or shouted 'I hate you’ and 'You are no longer a human being but an animal’ or words to that effect”, according to papers lodged at the Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC).
Biju Reni, a registered nurse on Ward 2, is accused of failing to provide adequate care to three patients during night shifts in 2008 and 2010. During a morning shift in June 2010, she is alleged to have “cancelled a call bell and walked away” when a patient needed help to go to the lavatory and when the woman pressed the buzzer again gave the patient her walking frame and left her to manage on her own, “showing no interest in her safety and well-being”.
The allegations post-date the discovery of the extent of “appalling” care at Mid Staffs. Two other nurses at Mid Staffs were found guilty of misconduct last November but are still working in the NHS.
Ragula Lice Tagiteu, a registered nurse employed by the Medacs agency, was found to have “committed a series of clinical failings” which put a patient “at unwarranted risk of harm” by failing to record accurately the patient’s ratings on the Glasgow Coma Score and failing promptly to tell doctors the patient’s condition was deteriorating.
She had shown “remorse and insight” and did not present a risk to the public, the NMC ruled, and allowed her to continue practising. Samantha Ann Rhodes was found guilty of misconduct after admitting seven separate breaches relating to a failure properly to administer a drug to a 78-year-old patient suffering from diabetes in 2009. She, too, was allowed to carry on working.
Twenty-three doctors were disciplined by the General Medical Council but allowed to carry on working, four are awaiting public hearings without being suspended, and eight are still under investigation.
A midwife at the Mid Staffordshire NHS Trust dragged a partly-naked patient out of a bathroom and told him: “You are no longer a human being but an animal,” a misconduct hearing is to be told
Bonka Kostova also shouted “I hate you” at the 73-year-old man, who suffered from Parkinson’s disease and Alzheimer’s, it is alleged.
Another nurse at the trust, which is at the centre of the biggest scandal in the history of the NHS, is to face a hearing accused of poor standards of care relating to four patients, one of whom was twice refused help to go to the lavatory.
It is the first time details of allegations faced by 10 nurses at Mid Staffs have been made public.
Two other nurses have been found guilty of misconduct after multiple failures but have been allowed to continue practising, while another nurse has been placed under an interim suspension.
The chief nursing officer, Jane Cummings, told The Daily Telegraph that there are nurses still treating patients who “have no place in the NHS” because they “do not have the capacity to be compassionate”.
It also emerged that Labour ministers and health officials were warned more than four years ago by President Barack Obama’s health adviser that patient care was being neglected at NHS hospitals.
An 84-page report by Dr Donald Berwick, which was not published at the time, said the NHS did not pay enough attention to patient care because it was too focused on targets.
Ten nurses from Mid Staffs are currently awaiting disciplinary hearings, nine of whom are still working in the NHS.
The tenth, Janice Harry, is subject to an interim suspension order.
Next week the Nursing and Midwifery Council will hear the case of Bulgarian-born Bonka Kostova, who is accused of abusing an unnamed patient at Stafford Hospital in July 2010. The registered midwife, who was working in Ward 6 as a health care support worker, is accused of “using her body weight” to push the patient into a bathroom and on to a lavatory, then “pulled him out of the bathroom in a state of undress”.
When another nurse tried to intervene, Miss Kostova allegedly “raised her voice and/or shouted 'I hate you’ and 'You are no longer a human being but an animal’ or words to that effect”, according to papers lodged at the Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC).
Biju Reni, a registered nurse on Ward 2, is accused of failing to provide adequate care to three patients during night shifts in 2008 and 2010. During a morning shift in June 2010, she is alleged to have “cancelled a call bell and walked away” when a patient needed help to go to the lavatory and when the woman pressed the buzzer again gave the patient her walking frame and left her to manage on her own, “showing no interest in her safety and well-being”.
The allegations post-date the discovery of the extent of “appalling” care at Mid Staffs. Two other nurses at Mid Staffs were found guilty of misconduct last November but are still working in the NHS.
Ragula Lice Tagiteu, a registered nurse employed by the Medacs agency, was found to have “committed a series of clinical failings” which put a patient “at unwarranted risk of harm” by failing to record accurately the patient’s ratings on the Glasgow Coma Score and failing promptly to tell doctors the patient’s condition was deteriorating.
She had shown “remorse and insight” and did not present a risk to the public, the NMC ruled, and allowed her to continue practising. Samantha Ann Rhodes was found guilty of misconduct after admitting seven separate breaches relating to a failure properly to administer a drug to a 78-year-old patient suffering from diabetes in 2009. She, too, was allowed to carry on working.
Twenty-three doctors were disciplined by the General Medical Council but allowed to carry on working, four are awaiting public hearings without being suspended, and eight are still under investigation.
Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt
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Putting aside for a moment the shocking goings on at the hospital during that period & the damage it has done to the reputation of the NHS I also worry about the lasting damage it has done to Stafford.
The town already seems to be synonymous to the outside world with the hospital. Think Dunblane and you think shootings, think Lockerbie and you think terrorist plane crash, think Soham and you think child murders, think Potters Bar and you think train wreck, think Stafford and you think hospital.
Unfortunately I have already noticed this. When visiting clients in other parts of the Country and they ask "so where do you live?" when I reply "Stafford" they automatically say "oh, thats the place with the awful hospital"......
The town already seems to be synonymous to the outside world with the hospital. Think Dunblane and you think shootings, think Lockerbie and you think terrorist plane crash, think Soham and you think child murders, think Potters Bar and you think train wreck, think Stafford and you think hospital.
Unfortunately I have already noticed this. When visiting clients in other parts of the Country and they ask "so where do you live?" when I reply "Stafford" they automatically say "oh, thats the place with the awful hospital"......
Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt
Well-Known Forumite
Alas reputation wise I don't think even that would be enough. How long ago was Lockerbie for example? 20+ years? And yet who out there old enough to remember the event associates that town with anything other than a plane crash?
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
Perhaps we need to be thinking about changing the name of the town, then..?
Sowville? Or would that be bit too easy to vandalise..?
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
Frankly, the above cases should be heard in a court of law, and if proven guilty custodial sentences should be passed, not by self-interested professional bodies.
If the above treatment had been inflicted on prisoners, or animals then you can bet it would be before the courts, so why the difference just because it's the elderly and the NHS?
joshua
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Sadly you cannot walk away from the fact that many the outrages committed against patients in Mid Staffs were committed by healthcare professionals, not managers. Managers do not prescribe administer drugs, do not feed patients who cannot feed themselves and do not ignore patients in pain. That bit of the NHS is the responsibility of healthcare professionals.
In no way am I suggesting that the blame lies only with health care professionals. I am suggesting that this is a complete failure of delivery from top to bottom. Blame lies at every level and yet not one has yet been sacked. Yes managers are highly culpable for 'the system", but they weren't there when the outrages were perpetrated and how can anyone who joins a caring profession treat fellow human beings with such uncaring contempt and brutality.
"An earlier investigation by Francis, published in 2010, revealed standards of hygiene so low in Stafford that families were at times forced to remove used bandages and dressings themselves.
It found patients forced to soil themselves because they were not helped to the toilet, and left unwashed for up to a month.
Food was left out of reach of patients and there was often no help for those who could not feed themselves, while some patients were so thirsty they had to drink water from vases."
The majority of failings identified in the report are clinical; absolutely feck all to do with business, business practices, internal markets, targets etc etc. The clinical bit of the NHS; the doctors and nurses has not been privatised. PFIs and contractors provide the buildings and the support services, not the doctors and nurses.
This is about a complete breakdown breakdown of organizational ethos and a lack of personal responsibility at many levels. There are many many very dedicated professional people in the NHS, but there are also an awful lot of "healthcare professionals" who have lost (if they ever had) the caring vocation. Do they get fired; no, of course not, they are public sector workers with a lifelong sinecure. The key building block of effective hospital care, the nurse, has now become a graduate "healthcare professional".
I fear the NHS needs root and branch reform, not just tinkering. Like much of the country, it needs strong, focussed leadership with the balls to restart the caring ethos. And it certainly doesn't need its' bloated budget ring fencing. As a country, we need a very wide debate about what we want from our health service and how it should be paid for.
No sacred cows, no political agendas, no vested interests.
What we have now is not what Bevan envisaged in the 1940s, nor is it the "envy of the world".
In no way am I suggesting that the blame lies only with health care professionals. I am suggesting that this is a complete failure of delivery from top to bottom. Blame lies at every level and yet not one has yet been sacked. Yes managers are highly culpable for 'the system", but they weren't there when the outrages were perpetrated and how can anyone who joins a caring profession treat fellow human beings with such uncaring contempt and brutality.
"An earlier investigation by Francis, published in 2010, revealed standards of hygiene so low in Stafford that families were at times forced to remove used bandages and dressings themselves.
It found patients forced to soil themselves because they were not helped to the toilet, and left unwashed for up to a month.
Food was left out of reach of patients and there was often no help for those who could not feed themselves, while some patients were so thirsty they had to drink water from vases."
The majority of failings identified in the report are clinical; absolutely feck all to do with business, business practices, internal markets, targets etc etc. The clinical bit of the NHS; the doctors and nurses has not been privatised. PFIs and contractors provide the buildings and the support services, not the doctors and nurses.
This is about a complete breakdown breakdown of organizational ethos and a lack of personal responsibility at many levels. There are many many very dedicated professional people in the NHS, but there are also an awful lot of "healthcare professionals" who have lost (if they ever had) the caring vocation. Do they get fired; no, of course not, they are public sector workers with a lifelong sinecure. The key building block of effective hospital care, the nurse, has now become a graduate "healthcare professional".
I fear the NHS needs root and branch reform, not just tinkering. Like much of the country, it needs strong, focussed leadership with the balls to restart the caring ethos. And it certainly doesn't need its' bloated budget ring fencing. As a country, we need a very wide debate about what we want from our health service and how it should be paid for.
No sacred cows, no political agendas, no vested interests.
What we have now is not what Bevan envisaged in the 1940s, nor is it the "envy of the world".
gilbert grape
Well-Known Forumite
A very severe case of the minority spoiling it for the majority!
Accountability counts in any role you serve in, regardless of income and many forget that. I'm pretty sure that many things have happened in front of patients that haven't been reported due to the patient feeling ill and not wanting to kick up a fuss. Things that obvious that surely somebody at some point will report it back if you don't, if in that position?
I'm also pretty sure that there are many voices, on here and in the public domain, who have lots to say on the situation but have rarely been in the hospital, if at all.
Like it or not, there have been errors at all levels from Senior Management to Cleaners and that has to change.
Accountability counts in any role you serve in, regardless of income and many forget that. I'm pretty sure that many things have happened in front of patients that haven't been reported due to the patient feeling ill and not wanting to kick up a fuss. Things that obvious that surely somebody at some point will report it back if you don't, if in that position?
I'm also pretty sure that there are many voices, on here and in the public domain, who have lots to say on the situation but have rarely been in the hospital, if at all.
Like it or not, there have been errors at all levels from Senior Management to Cleaners and that has to change.
John Marwood
I ♥ cryptic crosswords
Amidst huge funding cuts,things will change
They will get worse
April sees a huge change in the way we will get excluded from.services
Commissioning will be the hate word for the ill, poor and infirm
Doctors salaries have to be funded from somewhere
They will get worse
April sees a huge change in the way we will get excluded from.services
Commissioning will be the hate word for the ill, poor and infirm
Doctors salaries have to be funded from somewhere
littleme
250,000th poster!
I don't agree here, I have widespread friends, when Staffords mentioned to them they don't have a clue about it.....I suspect they tune out as soon as they hear anything about Stafford hospital in the news as its not in their backyard, so to speak.
John Marwood
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Shakespeare, Junction 14, platform 1, pottery, hospital, Come Dine With Me, V.
John Marwood
I ♥ cryptic crosswords
Daily Telegraph
Police should investigate the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of patients at
the Mid Staffordshire NHS hospitals in the wake of the public inquiry, the
Health Secretary says.
In an interview with The Daily Telegraph, Jeremy Hunt says it is
“absolutely disgraceful” that no doctors, nurses or managers have been held
to account for the substandard care which led to the deaths of up to 1,200
patients.
He says the Francis report into the scandal has put “evidence in the public
domain” which should form the basis of a police investigation and questions
the failure of professional bodies to uncover “abuse on such a wide scale”.
Police should investigate the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of patients at
the Mid Staffordshire NHS hospitals in the wake of the public inquiry, the
Health Secretary says.
In an interview with The Daily Telegraph, Jeremy Hunt says it is
“absolutely disgraceful” that no doctors, nurses or managers have been held
to account for the substandard care which led to the deaths of up to 1,200
patients.
He says the Francis report into the scandal has put “evidence in the public
domain” which should form the basis of a police investigation and questions
the failure of professional bodies to uncover “abuse on such a wide scale”.
John Marwood
I ♥ cryptic crosswords
Perhaps the outcome will be an inquiry into why not enough police to carry out investigation followed by one into the CPS and then the jury service
All in time for a new bunch of selfish arrogant thick egotist politicians to fuckusallup once again
All in time for a new bunch of selfish arrogant thick egotist politicians to fuckusallup once again
Withnail
Well-Known Forumite
What about the Coroner as well?
Details fail me now, but were there not instances of failure to disclose, falsifying of reports, orders to hush-hush, that sort of thing? Was the Coroner not suspicious of any failings at all during the whole wholesale deaths period?
It is all very well to nudge and wink toward the 'systemic failure rhubarb rhubarb', but there are people knee deep in this story that are culpable.
Are there to be any punishments?
Details fail me now, but were there not instances of failure to disclose, falsifying of reports, orders to hush-hush, that sort of thing? Was the Coroner not suspicious of any failings at all during the whole wholesale deaths period?
It is all very well to nudge and wink toward the 'systemic failure rhubarb rhubarb', but there are people knee deep in this story that are culpable.
Are there to be any punishments?
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
Careful now - it has been proven that there was nothing wrong with that - it was well worth £103,000 of 'health spending'.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-16814246